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golf
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Posted: Tue Jul 20th, 2010 12:43 am |
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dont you think a little bit of common sence may come into it.
if the vehicle is safe to drive then carry out a deceleromeeter test
if the vehicle is in a poor state of maintainence and in your opinion "may cause hard to the tester or equiptment or any other person" refuse to test???
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 06:10 pm |
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not the required reply...as i mentioned below if its got bald tyres etc....
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martin243
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 09:38 pm |
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| We don't carry out a road test if the vehicle has already failed for other items.
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castrolrob
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 09:27 pm |
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thats my point,trade plates arent a condition of appointment but roadtests when required and the relevant insurance is.the owner could also make a case for saying that he never asked you to drive it.this is just when of those grey areas,havent seen a reply that covers it or says where it is written that we are allowed to.
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kit1958
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 08:14 pm |
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Thank's for typing slowly, as I don't read quickly! One thing at a time. Yes I have tested 4x4 with no tax, test etc so not unique or lucky. Leagle eagles will no dout point out if I am right or wrong, but as I understand things the owner, not the driver, is responsible for road fund licence payment, and any fines for not paying sutable duty. As a side point why not use trade plates if you have them.
The insurance issue is covered by your vts.
As anouther side issue the vehicle is "under test" not being "used" (for carriage of goods or passengers).
The local plod are genraly not interested, but I have never had to put that to the test!
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 04:57 pm |
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bimmer wrote: hi all, spoke to VE at VOSA very helpful, and the word is yes you can do a brake test on an untaxed vehicle on a public road providing the road is close to your VTS, and take your smart card with you in case you are stopped by police, show them your card and tell them what you are doing, if they are not satisfied with your explanation tell them to call to VOSA. their words not mine, but i woudn't count on VOSA backing you up if you do get stopped as nothing in black and white to say what you are doing is legal.
Hi bimmer - without looking up all the legislation I would imagine that the tester, who is acting on behalf of the AE, would be covered under the Road Traffic Act - the AE being an authorised body for the purpose of statutary testing.
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bimmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 12:04 pm |
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hi all, spoke to VE at VOSA very helpful, and the word is yes you can do a brake test on an untaxed vehicle on a public road providing the road is close to your VTS, and take your smart card with you in case you are stopped by police, show them your card and tell them what you are doing, if they are not satisfied with your explanation tell them to call VOSA. their words not mine, but i woudn't count on VOSA backing you up if you do get stopped as nothing in black and white to say what you are doing is legal.
Last edited on Sat Jul 17th, 2010 06:47 am by bimmer
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castrolrob
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Posted: Fri Jul 16th, 2010 11:52 am |
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yes it does.have you never had a vehicle presented with no tax or test on it?if so you are unique and fortunate amongst men.let me spell it out slowly for you,if you have a vehicle with no tax or test on it the only way he can get tax is to put an mot on it,if its say,a range rover it(mostly)has to be driven to complete the test-i.e-brakes.it is illegal to drive a car with no tax or test on a public highway except to and from a test station or place of repair by prior appointment,i have seen no mention that we as testers are also exempt whilst testing it under those conditions.will using(as you put it)common sense protect us from getting nicked?if your local plod are anything like ours then they dont do common sense.
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kit1958
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Posted: Thu Jul 15th, 2010 01:37 pm |
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| I think that the owner is responsible for road tax, insurance surly covered by your vts. Does common sence still exist??
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castrolrob
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Posted: Wed Jul 14th, 2010 07:58 pm |
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nobody has answered the real query here,are you allowed to road/brake test a car with no mot/tax etc?anyone?you aint gotta be mastermind to realise that you dont do it with say,a bald tyre but how do we as testers stand legally?the presenter can drive it there and back and to a place of repair etc but what about us?aint nothing in conditions of appointment/guide etc about trade plates being required,only mention about this anywhere is that "you must make sure it is safe to do so"or similar.
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gengis69
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Posted: Sun Jul 11th, 2010 08:54 pm |
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| Helmet not required for quads, if you had found serious defects during test them you could have refused to test brakes and typed in resons why, dosnt your garage have its own insurance then?
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 10:27 pm |
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"What If"?
It was a "Quad Bike" (Quadricycle) Class1V, and you didnt have a crash helmet or any protective rider equipment, eg; boots trousers jacket, gloves etc:...... what then?
If He is such a "Top Man", then he should be able to say to you,
"I will not ask You to do anything that I am not prepared to do myself"!
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kit1958
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Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 03:31 pm |
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| OK, good luck with your H of E, sounds like a right tosspot!
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Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 03:19 pm |
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well i didnt really refuse,its a long story, without going into to much detail i did a brake test on company land and got a bollocking for it,as apparently our head of engineering had agreed,without telling me, not to do it on company land,why i dont know,so in my defence, as well as pleading ignorance, i said i couldnt do it on a public highway, dont know why i came up with that,  , anyway they went for it,so i just wanted to check for myself before someone else does and gets back to me. thanks for you're help on this one, i'll just wait and see what happens as my boss hasnt been in yet since the incident.
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Wesley
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 11:04 pm |
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big..E. wrote: Can I just ask a question or two on this subject.....Presented Vehicle has No Tax/Insurance etc...We have NO trade plates...are we still Legally allowed on the Road?...Also,During MOT test vehicle has a serious defect (4 Bald tyres).Do we take the vehicle on the road?..Or abort the Test(losing ££)...We wouldnt have to abort if we were using rollers?......Just a couple of ones to ponder...
Hi "E",
"Abandon" Test, produce a VT30, listing all other defects and charge as normal, if you havent already had the test fee up front.
Last edited on Sun Jun 27th, 2010 11:12 pm by Wesley
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big..E.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 10:34 pm |
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| Can I just ask a question or two on this subject.....Presented Vehicle has No Tax/Insurance etc...We have NO trade plates...are we still Legally allowed on the Road?...Also,During MOT test vehicle has a serious defect (4 Bald tyres).Do we take the vehicle on the road?..Or abort the Test(losing ££)...We wouldnt have to abort if we were using rollers?......Just a couple of ones to ponder...
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 06:10 pm |
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why would you want to refuse to do a brake test on a public road?
Last edited on Sun Jun 27th, 2010 06:28 pm by bimmer
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 06:05 pm |
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| Hello back, and thanks for the link bimmer, was of great help. kit, i dont realy want to, thats the point i needed to know if my refusal to do so was in the right or not. so reading the info in the link i guess it is legal but only on roads that would not cause disturbance to residents, right.
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kit1958
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 05:42 pm |
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| hi, I can't help myself from asking, why would you want to?
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bimmer
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Posted: Sun Jun 27th, 2010 12:02 am |
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hi, welcome to the forum. have a look at this link. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s03000706.htm
Last edited on Sun Jun 27th, 2010 12:05 am by bimmer
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