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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Jul 25th, 2010 10:57 pm |
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we have a 101 victor comes in,outwardly the only differences are the paint and alloys.underneath all this is a 4x4 cavalier turbo,he cut out the whole car from the sills downward and swopped it all over,victor dropped over the top(basically just body panels!)and nosh it all together,contains air con/leather heated seats/abs et al.this is also tax exempt as it carries the original vin on the front panel.in answer to your as yet unasked question,no we couldnt fail that one either.a lot of the kit car guys do similar in changing engine/axle nos etc on the v5 before completing the job.all we can do is pass and advise unless it looks like its gonna fall apart going down the road.your mutant disco is the thin end of a fairly large wedge,i have a similar one comes in,65 i.d.range rover chassis/running gear,2.5 tdi disco lump,there is a company making them and the parts for private conversions.us?we just test what we see
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 11:58 pm |
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big..E. wrote: Wesley wrote: my original broom was first purchased in 1970. since then, it has had Eight new Handles and Sixteen new Heads. 
This is Also Not an MOT Issue!!
four candles, handles for forks? ...........pmsl.
Wes...Classic comedy mate!.. ....
I`ve owned it for a couple of years now, and have decided to put it up for sale. "any offers"?Last edited on Sat Jul 24th, 2010 12:01 am by Wesley
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big..E.
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Posted: Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm |
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Wesley wrote: my original broom was first purchased in 1970. since then, it has had Eight new Handles and Sixteen new Heads.
This is Also Not an MOT Issue!!
four candles, handles for forks?...........pmsl.
Wes...Classic comedy mate!.. ....
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paul_c
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Posted: Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 11:07 pm |
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No worries. I was given the impression MoT testers can inform VOSA or DVLA if they believe a car's identity doesn't match what the physical car plainly is, in that they place a marker subtly, but carry on with the test as normal (ie its not their job to 'police' stolen cars, but they're one (yearly) like of defence in an informing role).
So.....the tax dodge (and other regulations, no doubt) motors stay on the roads....never mind huh!
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 11:01 pm |
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my original broom was first purchased in 1970. since then, it has had Eight new Handles and Sixteen new Heads.
This is Also Not an MOT Issue!!
four candles, handles for forks?...........pmsl.
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castrolrob
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Posted: Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 08:03 pm |
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another complication is that pre 1980(or thereabouts)vehicles dont even have to have a chassis no,the tester could advise that it dont appear to be the right age/spec etc but that would be entirely at there own discretion
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kev1975
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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 10:32 pm |
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test as presented , if the vehicle is presented & all documentation says its a 1965 then it is tested as such .
the only way testing would flag anything up is if there were more than 1 chassis number on the vehicle as this would fail .
with regards to the legality of it , if you knew for yourself that the vehicle is dodgy then don't get involved with it in the first place as i can see no way of making it totally 100% legal again .
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paul_c
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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 07:02 pm |
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Stealth wrote: Hi Paul
Welcome to the forum.
The question over the actual identity of the vehicle might be complicated for a number of reasons - ie it could be a 'ringer' or could have been cloned at some time, but I will answer your question regards the MOT.
The tester is only required to record the details 'as seen' at the time of test, so he will enter the chassis number & registration number, and if necessary some additional details as required in order to conduct the test.
It's not the tester's responsibility if the vehicle has been cloned, or is a 'ringer' - it could even be a 'cut & shut' job - he is only required to carry out the MOT test to determine that the vehicle meets the required standards of roadworthiness.
Many thanks! If its plainly obvious that its not 1965, does he simply carry on and test as a 1965 and issue a pass though? What if its roadworthy for 65 but not eg 84, for example (don't know the years but) seatbelts not fitted, etc. And any ideas how one might make the suspect vehicle, legal again?
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Stealth
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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 06:26 pm |
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Hi Paul
Welcome to the forum.
The question over the actual identity of the vehicle might be complicated for a number of reasons - ie it could be a 'ringer' or could have been cloned at some time, but I will answer your question regards the MOT.
The tester is only required to record the details 'as seen' at the time of test, so he will enter the chassis number & registration number, and if necessary some additional details as required in order to conduct the test.
It's not the tester's responsibility if the vehicle has been cloned, or is a 'ringer' - it could even be a 'cut & shut' job - he is only required to carry out the MOT test to determine that the vehicle meets the required standards of roadworthiness.
Last edited on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 06:26 pm by Stealth
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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 05:41 pm |
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Hiya
This is my first post so please be gentle. A heated discussion has cropped up on a Land Rover forum. Basically, a Land Rover 90 (age indeterminate, but looks to be 1984-1998 or so) has at some point in its life had the chassis plate and registration number of a 1965 Land Rover transferred to it. Just to complicate things, it has a LR Discovery engine fitted.
The 1965 identity checks out and isn't stolen, etc. The reasons people do this are suspect to say the least, but the main 2 are:
1. Road tax avoidance - the pre 71 ID means £0 historical tax
2. Stolen LR 90 is stripped of its identity and an identity from an older LR (which is probably scrap metal now, or sitting in a field rotting away) is transferred onto it to disguise the stolen ID. Basically, ringing.
Its been in the owner's possession for a couple of years and is now up for sale. My question is, at MoT time what does the tester do if he comes across a car like this? Obviously this case is fairly clear to see the age of the ID doesn't relate to the car, but it could be far more subtle and obviously its not possible to expect MOT testers to be an encyclopaedia to every make/model/year of car, to identify them.
And also, does anyone know what the LEGAL route is to getting it back to 100% legal. I imagine there's the tax avoidance issue to be overcome. Would it be VIC inspection, followed by DVLA allocating a fresh chassis number of some kind, followed by issuing with a Q plate? Or would IVA be involved at some point?
Many thanks!!!
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