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golf
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Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2010 01:04 am |
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Dynamic Balance wrote:
It is however under Trading Standards practices of law to actually provide a service and not charge a fee for that service provided be illegal, this I understand to be due to tax purposes, so if no charge made then no tax can be paid and this is a criminal offence.
you will probably find that his insurance company pay for there mot's in order for discounts on their company car servicing etc ..??
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Spunkymonkey
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Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2010 09:04 pm |
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VT30 is the failure list they print off. Yes, the exhaust can be repaired rather than replaced provided the repair supports it adequately.
Obviously, somewhere that sells a lot of exhausts might be reluctant to offer such a service - they'd probably retire to the loony bin if they ever saw mine - parts are NLA but you can always find a bit of scaffold tube the right size  . As long as a repair is sound - strong enough not to fall off, doesn't leak and reasonably permanent - they'd still have to pass it if it was presented again for retest.
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psychocandy
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Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2010 04:51 pm |
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VT30?
I'm aware its a full reinspection.
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2010 02:59 pm |
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"In my experience VOSA trainers make it up as they go along, then when challenged don't like it."
I Agree with you there nicknak.
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nicknak
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Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2010 02:56 pm |
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Spike wrote: RFR wrote: Hi Spike,
VT9a says Partial retest fee= half the test fee, not half their test fee, so if they did the full test for free then they could, if it was removed for repair, charge up to half the full test fee for the retest.
rfr
I raised the question at NT Refresher course & the retest fee is half of the VTS full fee NOT the statutory full fee. In my experience VOSA trainers make it up as they go along, then when challenged don't like it.
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Feb 26th, 2010 11:28 pm |
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psychocandy wrote: Kwik Fit failed my car today. Headlight loose - one mount broken, 5 OK. New exhaust needed - one or two mounts broken.
I was thinking of going somewhere else tomorrow...
"Going", "somewhere else" is a "full inspection",and could result in additional items on the VT30. ............
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psychocandy
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Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 07:37 pm |
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kev1975 wrote: psychocandy wrote:
Kwik Fit failed my car today. Headlight loose - one mount broken, 5 OK. New exhaust needed - one or two mounts broken.
I was thinking of going somewhere else tomorrow...
without seeing the car it is hard to say exactly how loose the headlight may or may not be.
the exhaust failure is totally correct as it lists in the manual for a mounting that does not support the system , or a mounting missing .
Headlight is not loose at all. Just one of the supports is broken.
Yep. Thats the wording they gave.
Can it be repaired though rather than the whole lot replaced?
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kev1975
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Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 07:11 pm |
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psychocandy wrote:
Kwik Fit failed my car today. Headlight loose - one mount broken, 5 OK. New exhaust needed - one or two mounts broken.
I was thinking of going somewhere else tomorrow...
without seeing the car it is hard to say exactly how loose the headlight may or may not be.
the exhaust failure is totally correct as it lists in the manual for a mounting that does not support the system , or a mounting missing .
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psychocandy
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Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 06:55 pm |
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Kwik Fit failed my car today. Headlight loose - one mount broken, 5 OK. New exhaust needed - one or two mounts broken.
I was thinking of going somewhere else tomorrow...
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Spike
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 10:56 pm |
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Common sense says that if you can do an MOT test for FREE, then performing part of that test again (ie retest) you cannot justify charging more than you did for the initial test.
Perhaps people should not take the vehicle back for a retest. Instead re-present the vehicle for a full initial test again... for FREE.
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 10:04 pm |
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OK.
Those VOSA trainers can be wrong you know!
Kev
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Spike
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 09:51 pm |
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The VOSA trainer was clear that if a VTS charge £30 for a FULL test, then they can charge no more than £15 for a retest.
The question was raised about FREE initial tests & the reply was that the retest must also be FREE.
If anyone is doing free tests, then they must be making their money on tyres / shocks / brakes, etc ;-)
Would be interesting if any other NTs could ask Trainers the same question on their next refresher courses...
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Dynamic Balance
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 09:09 pm |
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KevG wrote: I would check that Spike, Doesnt sound correct to me. I think its half the official fee.
kev
I agree with Kev here, I think that Spike may have been given some misleading info along the way somewhere. I think the criteria is;
When the vehicle is removed from the VTS, and returned within 10 working days to the SAME VTS, provided the constitution of the business has not changed, from the initial date of the original test, then only a partial retest is required, and a retest fee may be charged up to half the current test fee.
It is however under Trading Standards practices of law to actually provide a service and not charge a fee for that service provided be illegal, this I understand to be due to tax purposes, so if no charge made then no tax can be paid and this is a criminal offence.
Nowhere in the mot scheme rules written into any testing guide or amendments will anyone find information which promotes free mot testing of any sort. I also think that when VOSA say in their wording things like, a fee maybe charged is also strickly illegal, but is possibly worded that way to prevent a cartel, probably like the ones VOSA have in their HGV scheme where they charge full fee at every station, and then justify it by saying, its a different law?
Load of rubbish that statement. Did anyone follow the legal case when the Trading Standards took the VTS to court for getting 50 stations to charge the test fee, did anyone know what the barister said to trading standards when council told them, it is a statutory fee and if you bring this before my court, it will cost you a lot of money and you "Trading Standards" will probably loose.
It helps to keep up with thinks, one can recognise what is true quite readily.
DB
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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I would check that Spike, Doesnt sound correct to me. I think its half the official fee.
kev
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Spike
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 07:40 am |
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RFR wrote: Hi Spike,
VT9a says Partial retest fee= half the test fee, not half their test fee, so if they did the full test for free then they could, if it was removed for repair, charge up to half the full test fee for the retest.
rfr
I raised the question at NT Refresher course & the retest fee is half of the VTS full fee NOT the statutory full fee.
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RFR
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 07:35 am |
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Hi Spike,
VT9a says Partial retest fee= half the test fee, not half their test fee, so if they did the full test for free then they could, if it was removed for repair, charge up to half the full test fee for the retest.
rfr
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Spike
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Posted: Fri Aug 28th, 2009 11:37 pm |
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If Garage 'A' does a FULL MOT test for £0. Then the MAXIMUM they can charge for the re-test (if returned within 10 working days) is HALF of THEIR FULL FEE.
When I was at school, £0 divided by 2 always gave the answer of £0.
So have your free test at Kwk Ft, get the repairs done elsewhere & take it back for your Free Retest.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28th, 2009 06:45 pm |
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You got it. 
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Posted: Fri Aug 28th, 2009 11:37 am |
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Hi stealth,
Thanks for the comprehensive advice. So, if I take it to Kwik-Fit and it fails, then take it somewhere else for another full MOT, it's possible for the second place to pass the car on points that failed it at Kwik-Fit? It just means that the second place will have to do a full test, and can't just re-test the failed items?
Sorry bit unclear!
David
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Stealth
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Posted: Thu Aug 27th, 2009 03:54 pm |
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Hi midlife
Welcome to the forum.
The rules do not allow you to take your car to a different testing station for a re-test I'm afraid.
If the car fails and you take it back to the original station within 10 days of the failure, they are allowed to conduct a 'partial' examination of any repairs. This will include re-examination of any related systems - for example - if the car failed on a corroded brake pipe they should re-examine the brake pipe, and check the hydraulic system for leaks, correct footbrake pressure, brake fluid level, and repeat the roller brake test.
If you choose to take the car to another station following repairs then they are required to conduct a full test, and charge the appropriate fee.
If you take advantage of the free MOT offer & the car fails you will have to return there for re-test.
Even then there may be a catch, as testing stations are allowed to charge a fee for a further re-test, unless it fails on minor items like lights and other minor items. In this case it's free if you return within one working day.
Last edited on Thu Aug 27th, 2009 04:00 pm by Stealth
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