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Posted: Fri May 28th, 2010 07:38 pm |
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like i said "hands up if i am wrong" so i am typing this with my big toe. 
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri May 28th, 2010 05:26 pm |
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KevG wrote: Hi Stealth,
Surely the knicker elastic would stretch when pulled?
I reckon the bootlace option would be best.
What is the best knot to use?
Kev
Gotta be a reef knot or a bowline Kev - all good scouts should know those - 'dib dib dib'
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KevG
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Posted: Fri May 28th, 2010 05:22 pm |
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Hi Stealth,
Surely the knicker elastic would stretch when pulled?
I reckon the bootlace option would be best.
What is the best knot to use?
Kev
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri May 28th, 2010 04:14 pm |
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bimmer wrote:
ok here's another one, front passenger door will not open from inside because rod has become detached from lever in car, wire attached to release mechanism comes up the inside of door panel out through window chanel and into car to open door from inside, pass and advise, fail, abandon test, which one would you choose ??? and i have seen this more than once during testing. 
i like a good discussion too but it's also nice to take the P now and then ( hope i spelt P right )
That's a pass too - as long as it works at the time of test. 
I see you guys are still getting it wrong while I've been away
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri May 28th, 2010 04:11 pm |
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bimmer wrote: hope the DRIVER stayed in the car 
ok, back to the question ref. boot lid, if i was presented with this car i would refuse to test it, as it cant be opened by means of the device which was designed to do that function, which is what i understand the manual to be saying. N.B. if the car has a boot lever inside that works then problem solved as it is there by design.
Hi bimmer....
The Manual states -
A proper examination cannot be carried out because any door, tailgate, boot, engine cover, fuel cap or other device designed to be readily opened cannot be readily opened
The means of opening matters not one iota - whether it a bootlace, a bit of string, or your granny's knicker elastic, as long as it can be opened to permit an examination then it's a pass.
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Posted: Sun May 23rd, 2010 07:31 pm |
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mjk
we are all entitled to an opinion and i thank you for yours even though it is incorrect. just because my interpretation of the manual may be different to yours does not mean it is wrong does it. no i am not the owner i am the NT, QC and SM of the VTS which is in the green with VOSA and if they are happy with the standard of testing and the VTS site in general then so am i. if i am wrong, then "hands up" as we never stop learning do we. and " can't be ars.d" couldn't be further from the truth.
Last edited on Sun May 23rd, 2010 09:54 pm by bimmer
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mjk
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Posted: Sun May 23rd, 2010 05:13 pm |
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Bimmer,
I take it you're not the owner of the test centre which you work at. As far as I know, The boot needs to be opened to carry out the inspection of relevant items, and must close securely - and thats it. By refusing to test because you can't be ars.d to lean over and open the boot from inside, you are loosing £54.85 , and probably a future customer.
Wish I could afford to do that.....
Martin
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Posted: Sun May 23rd, 2010 05:11 am |
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as many newer cars can have their doors and boot lids/tailgates opened by remote control via a key fob as a standard feature of the car i would consider it an acceptable modification. i dont think a bit of string quite falls into that criteria and have never seen one sold as a car modification . at the end of the day each of us has to make a choice which way to go, and the presenter has the choice whether to appeal or not. if at any time VOSA tell me that string is an acceptable modification then thats fine as they make the rules and i follow them. until then i would still refuse to test.
ok here's another one, front passenger door will not open from inside because rod has become detached from lever in car, wire attached to release mechanism comes up the inside of door panel out through window chanel and into car to open door from inside, pass and advise, fail, abandon test, which one would you choose ??? and i have seen this more than once during testing.
i like a good discussion too but it's also nice to take the P now and then ( hope i spelt P right )
Last edited on Sun May 23rd, 2010 06:42 am by bimmer
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Wesley
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Posted: Sun May 23rd, 2010 12:19 am |
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I really enjoy a good discussion,
here`s a "scenario",?
One of the "custom car boys", has modified his door and boot opening devices from the standard door handles and boot lock, to a remote key fob operating system with override micro switches to open them hidden under the mirrors and rear bumper.
The doors and bootlid Can be opened as required.
What Now?
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Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 11:36 pm |
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bimmer wrote:
hope the DRIVER stayed in the car
ok, back to the question ref. boot lid, if i was presented with this car i would refuse to test it, as it cant be opened by means of the device which was designed to do that function, which is what i understand the manual to be saying. N.B. if the car has a boot lever inside that works then problem solved as it is there by design.
not sure that you could refuse to test it , the boot CAN be opened , ok it isn't by means of the lock , but it can be opened & therefore the prescribed areas inside the boot can be tested .
I would see no problem with it .
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Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 06:21 pm |
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hope the DRIVER stayed in the car
ok, back to the question ref. boot lid, if i was presented with this car i would refuse to test it, as it cant be opened by means of the device which was designed to do that function, which is what i understand the manual to be saying. N.B. if the car has a boot lever inside that works then problem solved as it is there by design.
Last edited on Sat May 22nd, 2010 08:30 pm by bimmer
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 09:25 am |
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bimmer wrote: why not get a boot lock from a salvage yard, good for the test and good for the shopping trips. ( 70 MPH down the M1, screaming kids in back told to shut up, want revenge so pull string, boot opens, dad's golf clubs all over motorway )
"at the time of the inspection"?
not my golf clubs!..........pmsl,.................
Last edited on Sat May 22nd, 2010 09:27 am by Wesley
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Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 08:00 am |
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why not get a boot lock from a salvage yard, good for the test and good for the shopping trips. ( 70 MPH down the M1, screaming kids in back told to shut up, want revenge so pull string, boot opens, dad's golf clubs all over motorway )
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri May 21st, 2010 11:20 pm |
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Hi melchior,
the doors are as "bimmer" says.
you could speak to the tester before he starts the inspection and let him know how the boot opens.
wes.
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Posted: Thu May 20th, 2010 06:22 pm |
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hi, and welcome to the forum.
the car is tested as presented, so if the door is unlocked when it goes into the bay and can be opened from inside and outside it will pass. if you cant readily open by design the boot lid it is a refusal to test the car.
appendix 3.g http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/tgx03000101.htm refusal to test a vehicle.
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Posted: Thu May 20th, 2010 04:18 pm |
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"Both front doors must be openable from the inside and outside and all doors must latch securely."
The driver's side door cannot be unlocked from the outside, but once someone has gone inside via the passenger side and unlocked it you can then open it fine. Does openable mean unlockable too?
The boot is similar - you cannot unlock or open it from the outside, you have to pull the cable from the inside to open it. Will that fail it? Certainly inconvenient for the tester, but if I tie a string to the cable and pass it into the car it should be easy enough to open right?
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