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Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 08:24 pm |
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volksjim wrote: not proven....we know you did it,but don't have enough evidence
Correct, But a not proven verdict has more stigma attached than a guilty verdict.
I would prefer to take the guilty verdict than be a social outcast associated with the Not Proven verdict. I have seen people totaly issolated within the community because they have had a Not Proven verdict...Not pretty at all.
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Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 03:13 pm |
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it wern't me it was him ......
my golf nearly done 250,000 miles now woop woop
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Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 10:05 am |
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| not proven....we know you did it,but don't have enough evidence
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kit1958
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2010 08:38 pm |
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Phew thanks for that, we do seem to have an officeldom (is that a proper word ?) run by spineless, chinless pencil pushing do-gooders, who seem to not have a proper job, who's own self interest (and pockets) seems to come before people who actualy do important work. Firms that are just out to extract as much money from the wallets of hard working people deserve swift justice, I think people who make honest mistakes (we all do) deserve a chance to explain themselves.
As long it does not become a "mob rule", and is seen as proper and fair,well done
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secubis3
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2010 10:07 am |
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kit1958 wrote: Ok, so thats how things are done in the land of the brave, but just out of interest how does it work? Who decides the level of fine & for what "offence" ?
The law still works in the same manner as it does in england, but at a faster pace. The level of fines and offences are the same as they were when the original act of parliment was passed in westminster.
an example:
In england if a number of complaints against a trader is lodged, it may take up to six months or so for any action to be taken. That action maybe in the form of a warning.
In Scotland the same complaint may take say only a month to process and the action may go straight to a fine, which in england may take years for any substanial action to take place.
This allows the public to see that the authorities have the backbone to do something about complaints, something that in england & wales that just does not happen. It is a way of weeding out the bad and nasty trades people out there.
Other laws in scotland have already been amended to suit the situations that are prelivent in our country. Better the land of the brave than the land of run by ball-less gutless, backbone-less money grabbing lieing officals.
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kit1958
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Posted: Sun Jul 11th, 2010 04:56 pm |
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| Ok, so thats how things are done in the land of the brave, but just out of interest how does it work? Who decides the level of fine & for what "offence" ?
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Posted: Sun Jul 11th, 2010 01:21 pm |
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KevG wrote: Thats a big supposition to make?
No not really, it is well documented at Holyrood that some UK laws do not work as they should in Scotland and need to be reformed. The reasoning being is a presupposition, as oppossed to supposition is for the argument as directed.
This means we know the law was changed because of people being fed up with being ripped off and not having the protection of the law, and the law makers giving reason in law terms rather than terms where ordinary people can understand.
Try reading an act of parliment without being bamboozaled!!!!!!!
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Posted: Sat Jul 10th, 2010 05:05 pm |
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| Thats a big supposition to make?
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secubis3
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Posted: Sat Jul 10th, 2010 01:55 pm |
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KevG wrote: Fined????
When did that start?
They cant fine us can they?
It's something that Scottish law makers have passed to crack down on rogue traders. I suppose that being fed up with the inability of UK laws, the Scottish parliment passed amendments that allow local authorities to dish out their own punishments within reason, after all a fine is more effective than a slap on the wrist.
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Posted: Sat Jul 10th, 2010 01:36 pm |
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thats a new one on me too.
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Jul 10th, 2010 01:02 pm |
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Fined????
When did that start?
They cant fine us can they?
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nicknak
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Posted: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 10:14 pm |
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secubis3 wrote: I got a reply from VOSA about my complaint. They said they are considering closing down this mot station as there have been a number of similar complaints.
The second garage will be fined as they are also under a previous warning and may well also loose their licence
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kit1958
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Posted: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 08:23 pm |
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Hi, thanks for getting back with the latest news. I can fully understand vosa coming down quite heavy if there has been a lot of complaints against/upheld against station1, but don't fullly understand situation with station 2. Any idea what's going off?
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Posted: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 03:41 pm |
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I got a reply from VOSA about my complaint. They said they are considering closing down this mot station as there have been a number of similar complaints.
The second garage will be fined as they are also under a previous warning and may well also loose their licence
Cheers
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kit1958
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Posted: Sat Jun 19th, 2010 08:44 pm |
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Well said wes 
Ain't it great having too much free time
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Posted: Sat Jun 19th, 2010 12:18 am |
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spotty wrote: Wesley wrote: shpauly wrote: Wesley wrote: "Uncannily"
I had a 1994 "L" Rover Metro in with "cat fitted" today, it failed the initial BET test and the gas analyser automatically took me to the other options. make, model, vin, and engine code? not listed so had a peek under the air fiter housing and discovered "ye" old`e" carburettor, chose "other" from the options list and "Bingo"! Passed.
lambda part of test isnt testing the lambda sensor its measuring the lambda which is always there regardless,a car withot a o2 sensor will stll have lambda
What about My, pre 1974, (1936), "Austin Ascot"??...............
If its got an internal combustion engine, it'll have a lambda value. Lambda has nothing to do with cats and sensors, it's a figure that is derived from dividing the air to fuel ratio by the stoichometric air to fuel ratio (typically 14.7). As these are all ratios, lambda has no units. Just because it is not tested, it doesn't mean that it isn't there. If you were to put your Austin Ascot on the gas analyser, I'm sure that it will calculate a lambda value for it.
Surely, the lambda value, is for the "diagnostic technicians" to measure using their 4 Gas analysers when they are diagnosing emission related issues related to poor running or "mot" failures"? which are relevant to the date of vehicle manufacture?
The "lambda value" Is absolutely Nothing to do with an "mot inspection" on any car which was registered, pre 1974. and subsequently, the "mot" gas analyser will automatically take You there!
A "Metro/Maestro, of said vintage? will automatically take the, "mot" "gas analyser" to the relevant "mot" requirements?
"Two Gas"?? CO% and HC?
"Go Figure"!
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Posted: Fri Jun 18th, 2010 12:53 pm |
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and for those who want to know more there's always this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio
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Posted: Fri Jun 18th, 2010 07:15 am |
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Wesley wrote: shpauly wrote: Wesley wrote: "Uncannily"
I had a 1994 "L" Rover Metro in with "cat fitted" today, it failed the initial BET test and the gas analyser automatically took me to the other options. make, model, vin, and engine code? not listed so had a peek under the air fiter housing and discovered "ye" old`e" carburettor, chose "other" from the options list and "Bingo"! Passed.
lambda part of test isnt testing the lambda sensor its measuring the lambda which is always there regardless,a car withot a o2 sensor will stll have lambda
What about My, pre 1974, (1936), "Austin Ascot"??...............
If its got an internal combustion engine, it'll have a lambda value. Lambda has nothing to do with cats and sensors, it's a figure that is derived from dividing the air to fuel ratio by the stoichometric air to fuel ratio (typically 14.7). As these are all ratios, lambda has no units. Just because it is not tested, it doesn't mean that it isn't there. If you were to put your Austin Ascot on the gas analyser, I'm sure that it will calculate a lambda value for it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 07:40 am |
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Wesley wrote:
shpauly wrote: Wesley wrote: "Uncannily"
I had a 1994 "L" Rover Metro in with "cat fitted" today, it failed the initial BET test and the gas analyser automatically took me to the other options. make, model, vin, and engine code? not listed so had a peek under the air fiter housing and discovered "ye" old`e" carburettor, chose "other" from the options list and "Bingo"! Passed.
lambda part of test isnt testing the lambda sensor its measuring the lambda which is always there regardless,a car withot a o2 sensor will stll have lambda
What about My, pre 1974, (1936), "Austin Ascot"??...............
I like them older cars , visual test 
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 12:11 am |
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shpauly wrote: Wesley wrote: "Uncannily"
I had a 1994 "L" Rover Metro in with "cat fitted" today, it failed the initial BET test and the gas analyser automatically took me to the other options. make, model, vin, and engine code? not listed so had a peek under the air fiter housing and discovered "ye" old`e" carburettor, chose "other" from the options list and "Bingo"! Passed.
lambda part of test isnt testing the lambda sensor its measuring the lambda which is always there regardless,a car withot a o2 sensor will stll have lambda
What about My, pre 1974, (1936), "Austin Ascot"??...............
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