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kit1958
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Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2011 08:06 pm |
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voxmagna wrote:
I appealed against a decision a while back which was accepted by the guy at the end of the phone the mot tester called. He had to cancel a fail and issue a pass.
If someone rang me & told me to issue a pass "over the phone"  No tester who wants to keep his/her licence would EVER do that without at least having a second look and referring to the book.
A tester is quite correct to advise on worn tyres etc and if you dont like it may I suggest that you take your half price vouchers elsewhere.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2011 01:57 pm |
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timbo wrote:
I get the impression from this that someone is selling cars on and doesn't like any potential faults being identified.
could well be , wasn't this part of the reason why the advisory was made as part of the test cert ?? to stop traders binning it off before selling the car
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Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2011 10:22 am |
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I get the impression from this that someone is selling cars on and doesn't like any potential faults being identified.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2011 09:26 am |
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rocky69 wrote: You must be the only person in the country that looks at it that way. Everyone else takes the MOT as its right for 12 months or even the rest of its life, based on some of the conversations I have had with people whose cars I have tested.
If you issue certificates you will know that the mot test certificate is not evidence that the vehicle is in a satisfactory condition.
You should also know that the tested vehicle meets the minimum legal requirements and only for those items prescribed (as set out in the mot testers manual).
An mot certificate does not mean that the vehicle fully meets all the legal requirements or that it will continue to be roadworthy for the next year.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2011 04:16 pm |
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You must be the only person in the country that looks at it that way. Everyone else takes the MOT as its right for 12 months or even the rest of its life, based on some of the conversations I have had with people whose cars I have tested.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2011 03:59 pm |
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without seeing the individual items that were advised it would be hard to comment one way or the other , but look at it from a testers point of view .
if the tyres are wearing at the inside edge & you are advised of it then you can possibly correct the problem before you end up with tyres which have worn out prematurely .
then there is the point of any item in general which has some wear present ( however small ) if we don't advise & something happens or someone appeals that the vehicle maybe should have failed then the tester could run into a whole lot of trouble , whereas if it has been advised it shows that the tester has noticed the defect & made the vehicle presenter aware .
I will always issue an advisory for something that has a bit of wear or corrosion , or tyres at or below 3mm (but obviously above 1.6mm) of tread depth etc .Last edited on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 04:00 pm by kev1975
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Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2011 03:33 pm |
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Thanks for all your replies. I can see that my post has raised some controversy with mot testers. But from a consumer perspective, I'm not asking for a service, a service report, or a consultation on 'matters observed' when I submit a vehicle for an mot. I'm asking for a certificate that says my vehicle is roadworthy on the day it was tested and meets the legal requirements. The same vehicle has been tested every year for 12 years. The TIG 'welded' silencer is still there and has only ever been advised once, so I have seen no consistency of reporting from different stations.
As for half price mot's, it is the decision of the business if they offer it or not and the mot tester gets paid the same hourly rate, irrespective of what offers a company may decide to make. But why is it making those offers? If anybody is suggesting that businesses doing this are then encouraging mot testers to make advises, which whilst not affecting the legal requirements of determining the roadworthiness of a vehicle, could be used to scare the less knowledgeable into having work done, then I would say this is a suspect practice.
Of course all advises should be based on 'evidence'. But every vehicle will have 'fair wear' and the issue for an mot tester should be to determine if that wear makes the vehicle unsafe within the mot testers guidelines. There are MANY opportunities for judgements to be made and that is why the mot procedure includes an appeals procedure. If this gets up people noses, then I'm sorry. I appealed against a decision a while back which was accepted by the guy at the end of the phone the mot tester called. He had to cancel a fail and issue a pass.
One option I or anybody else for that matter has, is to go to Council run mot stations. They don't repair vehicles or have any incentive to be over zealous in advises. That doesn't mean advises wouldn't be given, just that they are likely to be more impartial.
I appreciate that mot testers may receive more negative criticism than positive and I have never disputed findings which contribute to a fail that were fair. My issue here is about advises that move towards opinion and possible conflict of interests, when the purpose of the test is to determine vehicle roadworthiness at the time a certificate is issued.
Last edited on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 03:35 pm by voxmagna
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Aylesbury Jock
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Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2011 01:32 pm |
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| I am not going to be included in the apology. Perhaps the park brake advise was unnecessary,but as for the rest, you welded the silencer and got a note to advise it had been noticed, not that it was a problem. Slight wear on discs. Was there? If not I will agree it's a problem, but if there was, he noticed it and informed you. Tyres wearing on inner edges. Were they? He wasn't telling you they were worn out, he was advising there could be a problem which the test isn't picking up, causing uneven tyre wear. Trying to help! If he's reading this he must be wondering why he bothers, but never mind, there are some people who appreciate as much information on their vehicle as can be given. If I seem a little bit off voxmagna, that is because as testers we can do nothing right. Ever.
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Posted: Fri Dec 9th, 2011 11:16 pm |
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| unfortunately mot testers are only just covering their own arses ,this is how it is and how i will be for a long time to come , sorry on behalf of all of us ,regards dave.
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Posted: Fri Dec 9th, 2011 10:39 pm |
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So just to re-cap Mr Voxmagna....You get half price MOT test's which Pass everytime .But the Tester "Advises" on certain points and YOU want to appeal against him?....God give us a break please.. .
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Posted: Fri Dec 9th, 2011 07:02 pm |
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The brake discs, tyre wear and exhaust are just stating the facts and TBH creating more work for the tester. As for the handbrake it just sounds like you have found a complete nob who has unfortunately been given a testers licence.
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Posted: Thu Dec 8th, 2011 09:01 am |
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Hi, I'm hoping somebody can explain any MOT guidlines on 'Advise'. I service my own cars and have been taking them to my local station, part of a large group, using 1/2 price MOT discount vouchers.
Each time the vehicles pass mot, but there are advises which get notched up on vehicle records.
On one occasion I had set up the handbrake free play using a vernier gauge on each rear caliper arm as per manufacturer spec and checked there there was no brake binding when fully released. I was advised the handbrake had marginally excessive too much free play (their words!) when I demonstrated I could lock the rear wheels at 4 notches and stall the car. They removed that advise.
On another vehicle fitted with a stainless steel exhaust system, the rear silencer had hit a road hump which put a cosmetic dent in the polished underside. I had reinforced the box with a small stainless plate TIG welded. The MOT report advised 'The silencer system has been welded'.
I put in a 5 year old low mileage VW after giving it a thorough service and inspection. I had previously driven the vehicle to a tyre specialist and had them check all the tyres for wear. The vehicle passed mot with 2 advises noted:
1. Both front disc slightly worn
2. both rear tyres wearing on inner edges.
I'm beginning to think there is little or no objectivity to what is recorded as Advisory items. In the last example, the front brake discs were well above the OEM wear thickness limits and brakes must have achieved the required test figures. Brake discs do wear! as for the tires, they wear too!
Are MOT test stations using Advisory items to drum up service work? Can they be appealed against and what are the guidelines for statements included as Advisory items?
Thanks
Last edited on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 09:02 am by voxmagna
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