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Wesley
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 12:33 am |
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drivewasher wrote: thats exactly right. I have the pipe assy I'm going to show my bro-in-law he an NT see what he says. I'll then cut it up and take a pic
nice one!
Your bro-in-law an NT,and You an NT, Who Originally "Failed" It! LOL!
"Priceless"! PMSL!
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 11:13 pm |
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| thats exactly right. I have the pipe assy I'm going to show my bro-in-law he an NT see what he says. I'll then cut it up and take a pic
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 10:10 pm |
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Hi dw,
I`ve had these in before and the way i see them is slightly different to you.
There is a stainless steel braid section, very similar to or the same as the aircraft industry standard brake hose, with a strange rubber tube covering it which isn`t actually under the crimping. much like those replacement braided hoses made by a well known company but with a rubber tube cover.
If You still have the old one, please remove the rubber cover and then cut through the braided section, take a few photos and post them on here.
Thanks,
wes.
Last edited on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 10:12 pm by Wesley
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 08:07 am |
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The way I saw it Wesley was it's not steel copper or kunifer. As it's rubber reinforced in this case by steel so it was a flexible and that steel "reinforcing" was visible behind a split it was a fail.
I looked at it's mate on the other side and that one had both ends of the rubber covering well caught under the ferrule crimpng. I must add that the fail pipe had also been permanantly damaged by previous over zelous application of a clamp, The presentor tol me his son had had calliper off months ago because he couldn't get the piston to go back when fitting new pads. This wrestling on the end of a flimsy hose I thought had probably pulled the outer rubber from in it's crimping.
No need to post more pics now then, as when new pipe assy came it had the steel showing, although a lot less than the old one.
This is the assy in question http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/330587302949?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
Last edited on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 10:42 am by drivewasher
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 12:20 am |
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drivewasher wrote: bimmer thats right. reinforcing steel wires showing where ferrule is crimped, It`s "Not a Flexi" like those that go between a moving part and a fixed one that have female threads in each end. It's a section machine crimped into a steel run that goes from calliper to the proper flexi on the o/s of the beam. It will be some sort of vibration damper as the steel run would be a long unfixed lenght.
What have I got wrong with the pic format? I need to post some more as I said the plot thickens!
So, "If"? As You have Posted above?, and In Your Opinion Is Not a Flexi, but does form a part of the braking system? And You agree??Why Did You Fail It?
Have "We" Missed the "Modified" section of the manual? and, "Overlooked"? the "replacement braided" brake hose market?
"Chrysler Voyager" have this style of braided hoses on all of their vehicles!
ps, can now Finally see your photo
So, Now We, Can enter into greater detail? and request that our VTS Council Members Will have the powers to question this issue? And Determine the Answer!
Last edited on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 01:02 am by Wesley
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2012 07:02 pm |
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I took my glasses off and had another look at the photo, and yes I can also agree now
What should I do Kev, I have been to spec savers and now I require to take the glasses off to see
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2012 05:38 pm |
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bimmer wrote:
it looks as though the reinforcement is exposed between the end of the outer rubber part of the pipe and where the ferrule starts. if that is what you mean then i would say it's a fail.
p.s. there is a problem with the picture format which might stop some members viewing it.
100% agree
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2012 10:44 am |
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bimmer thats right. reinforcing steel wires showing where ferrule is crimped, its not a flexi like those that go between a moving part and a fixed one that have female threads in each end. It's a section machine crimped into a steel run that goes from calliper to the proper flexi on the o/s of the beam. It will be some sort of vibration damper as the steel run would be a long unfixed lenght.
What have I got wrong with the pic format? I need to post some more as I said the plot thickens!
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2012 08:08 am |
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it looks as though the reinforcement is exposed between the end of the outer rubber part of the pipe and where the ferrule starts. if that is what you mean then i would say it's a fail.
p.s. there is a problem with the picture format which might stop some members viewing it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2012 10:59 pm |
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I can see the flexi and the steel over the park brake cable, but not sure exactly what you are showing us, please give us another photo
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2012 10:10 pm |
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Can everyone else see the photo or not?
I need to sort photo viewing out because the plot thickens more pics to follow!!Last edited on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 10:10 pm by drivewasher
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2012 09:49 pm |
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drivewasher wrote: Had a 2004 Renault in this week. While testing the brakes under presure and and at ease spotted this on O/S/Rear just where steel pipe come from calliper turns into a rubber then back to a steel to go along the trailing arm to the flexi between swinging beam and floor pan.
This is viwed from under car looking towards inside of wheel.
So I failed it. Do you guys think I was right in doing so?
3.6.d (A hose should be rejected for cracking or chafing only if it is severe enough to expose the reinforcement.)So as you can see that is reinforcing showing at the ferrule.
I can`t seem to be able to view your photo?
We had a 2004 Vectra in recently, the rear brake hoses have a bend in the steel section by the banjo where it bolts to the caliper, the part of the union which You can see, which is the outside of the bend, was imho, after a little scrape with an assessment tool, appeared to be slightly corroded. Whilst carrying out the rbt, we experienced a "burst", so subsequent rfr`s produced a VT30.
Removal of the Wheels and further inspection revealed excessive corrosion on the inside of the bend by the banjo! I Hope Our Experience can be shared by All of our members, amicably.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2012 08:57 pm |
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Had a 2004 Renault in this week. While testing the brakes under presure and and at ease spotted this on O/S/Rear just where steel pipe come from calliper turns into a rubber then back to a steel to go along the trailing arm to the flexi between swinging beam and floor pan.
This is viwed from under car looking towards inside of wheel.
So I failed it. Do you guys think I was right in doing so?
3.6.d (A hose should be rejected for cracking or chafing only if it is severe enough to expose the reinforcement.)So as you can see that is reinforcing showing at the ferrule.Attachment: pic 1.jpg (Downloaded 138 times)
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