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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Feb 10th, 2012 11:42 pm |
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drivewasher wrote: Wesley wrote:
after my recent "spat" with some forum members, i have taken a little time out to "review"what I have "posted", and in this particular topic I can see that I have missread some comments posted by "dw"?
for this, "I" apologise to You "dw".
sometimes the "specsaver" type jokes, by other members, can tend to be a little missleading,? much like the postings on other topics! so, please can the other members stick to the "topic" posted and not "deviate" into relating to their own personal unrelated experiences.
wes.
"many thanks" for your contributions and photos relating to these brake hoses, they are actually very informative, dude.
Youv'e lost me now Wesley. No need to apologise as youv'e not upset me. This is all one big learning curve for me, I try to put in as much as I take out if you see what I mean!
Hey, Thats the type of Guy I am.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10th, 2012 11:24 pm |
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Wesley wrote:
after my recent "spat" with some forum members, i have taken a little time out to "review"what I have "posted", and in this particular topic I can see that I have missread some comments posted by "dw"?
for this, "I" apologise to You "dw".
sometimes the "specsaver" type jokes, by other members, can tend to be a little missleading,? much like the postings on other topics! so, please can the other members stick to the "topic" posted and not "deviate" into relating to their own personal unrelated experiences.
wes.
"many thanks" for your contributions and photos relating to these brake hoses, they are actually very informative, dude.
Youv'e lost me now Wesley. No need to apologise as youv'e not upset me. This is all one big learning curve for me, I try to put in as much as I take out if you see what I mean!
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Posted: Fri Feb 10th, 2012 11:12 pm |
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Feb 9th, 2012 11:49 pm |
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after my recent "spat" with some forum members, i have taken a little time out to "review"what I have "posted", and in this particular topic I can see that I have missread some comments posted by "dw"?
for this, "I" apologise to You "dw".
sometimes the "specsaver" type jokes, by other members, can tend to be a little missleading,? much like the postings on other topics! so, please can the other members stick to the "topic" posted and not "deviate" into relating to their own personal unrelated experiences.
wes.
"many thanks" for your contributions and photos relating to these brake hoses, they are actually very informative, dude.
Last edited on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 12:05 am by Wesley
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Feb 1st, 2012 12:55 am |
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many thanks, dw,
they are a stunning example of what i envisaged.
ps;- to be continued, by "All"?
Last edited on Wed Feb 1st, 2012 01:03 am by Wesley
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Posted: Wed Feb 1st, 2012 12:27 am |
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2012 05:50 pm |
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Spunkymonkey wrote: As an ex aircraft tech (but not a tester) my take on that pipe would be that it's a steel braided pipe with a separate rubber sleeve over the top to protect the braid and / or the mechanic's hands if the braiding is damaged.
Certainly, looking at the photo of the new one, it doesn't look like the outer is even designed to be held by the crimp so it's doesn't affect the integrity of the pipe in any way. That's different to a pipe with embedded reinforcement that's been chafed through to which is what the manual seems to be referring to. So I'd have expected the visible steel to be a P&A if anything.
On the other hand, the squashing by a clamp is possibly a legitimate fail by itself as excessively damaged?
As a non tester, you've used common sense and almost certainly come up with the right answer.
Us testers are not allowed to use common sense, (must go by the manual), but we still have to come up with the right answer!
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2012 03:33 pm |
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As an ex aircraft tech (but not a tester) my take on that pipe would be that it's a steel braided pipe with a separate rubber sleeve over the top to protect the braid and / or the mechanic's hands if the braiding is damaged.
Certainly, looking at the photo of the new one, it doesn't look like the outer is even designed to be held by the crimp so it's doesn't affect the integrity of the pipe in any way. That's different to a pipe with embedded reinforcement that's been chafed through to which is what the manual seems to be referring to. So I'd have expected the visible steel to be a P&A if anything.
On the other hand, the squashing by a clamp is possibly a legitimate fail by itself as excessively damaged?
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Wesley
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2012 12:31 am |
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Hi again,
seriously, as posted previously, please remove all of the outer cover, take a photo, then cut it in half to reveal whats going on in there.?
your photo`s of this are really important to everyone involved in the MOT Scheme.
thanks, wes.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:54 pm |
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NITROS44 wrote:
Thanks for the pictures
ps anymore fights lol with you VE?
Ha, No he loves his Pop's really I love him too, but shh don't tell him
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:46 pm |
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Thanks for the pictures
Its good to see that you have taken the time and effort to get a bit more knowledge and understanding of this type of component,well doneits just a shame there arnt more guys out there like you
ps anymore fights lol with you VE?
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:13 pm |
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drivewasher wrote:
Thanks for that NITROS44
As you say I was not sure at first but on reflection I think it should have been Pass & Advice.
Here's a pic from the outside that shows the damage by a clamp and signs of the hose being wrestled with. I'm now shure that helped pull the outer rubber away from the ferrules exposing more of the wire than normal.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:12 pm |
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:11 pm |
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Thanks for that NITROS44
As you say I was not sure at first but on reflection I think it should have bee Pass & Advice.
Here's a pic from the outside that shows the damage by a clamp and signs of the hose being wrestled with. I'm now shure that helped pull the outer rubber away from the ferrules exposing more of the wire than normal.Attachment: pic 2.jpg (Downloaded 102 times)
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 10:49 pm |
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What i would have to ask here is;is it actually reinforcement that has been exposed,even though at 1st it may look like a flexible hose and if my memory serves me right it is in fact tubular brake pipe with protective coating and what your seeing "exposed"is steel braiding and if exposed would not weaken the hose.I wouldnt go as far to say that its flexible or classify it as a brake pipe flex. but the steel pipe is more softer then the mild steel brake pipes,intresting to see the pipe disected so to speak,
The material under the plastic coating is normally exposed when the pipe as been severely bent/twisted.the plastic coating serves as insulation and protection.It sounds like this damage occured when the presenter"s son was working on it,i once came across one of these when someone had tried to unfasten the section which looks like a nut were the plastic starts but at the forward part of the pipe,by then it was severely twisted and kinked.
In my opinion i would have passed and advised
One other point to mention would be that at this stage on the forum, the NT is still not sure if the rfr was justified at the time of test which means to me the NT was not sure.
Once again In my opinion if a NT is not sure about a component when testing A PASS/ADVISE would be suffice,but we all learn by our mistakes
i make loads of themlol
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 05:42 pm |
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Just to get back to failing it for a mo. as its rubber and its not rigid it must be a flexi hose? Looking in rfr its a fail if the reinforcing is showing. which it is so I failed it especially as the one on the other side had NO sighn of any reinforcing showing at all. It was only when the new one came I could see the reinforcing at each end if I bent the flexi it revealed more.
As you say it does seem to be a steel braides hose with a rubber sleeve over it.
What do you do, surley it's either a rigid or a flexi?
Just to add I have had an identical car on the lift today for repair to front lights. I had a look at the same o/r/r pipe and there was no reinforcing showing at all so if that was an MOT I wouldn't even be looking in the manual for a rfr.Last edited on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 05:48 pm by drivewasher
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 05:28 pm |
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I failed it. I work on my own with my son who is just the AE
My bro in law has worked for years at another VTS a few miles away I'll show him so him and my son can take the urine for the next 6 weeks!Last edited on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 05:48 pm by drivewasher
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