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Tony Gingell
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Posted: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 12:50 pm |
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Kit,
Classic comment!
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bimmer
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Posted: Wed Feb 1st, 2012 09:53 pm |
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thanks for the info kit. 
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kit1958
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Posted: Wed Feb 1st, 2012 09:23 pm |
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Had a reply back from vosa..."on the compleatness (is that a word ?) p&a but may fail on noise or you may not be able to insert sample probe for ega"
Only in vosa land can you fail rear silencer for blowing in the morn & pass if it comes back for re test with it missing!! 
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2012 07:37 pm |
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golf wrote:
what about under emissions test?? exhaust proble unable to be inserted inmto the tail pipe???
That's what I was thinking, but seems it isn't in the rfr - I'm sure it used to be.
A tailpipe with an adapter fitted stopping the probe being fully inserted is a failure though.
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golf
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2012 05:54 pm |
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what about under emissions test?? exhaust proble unable to be inserted inmto the tail pipe???
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kit1958
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Posted: Mon Jan 30th, 2012 05:06 pm |
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rocky69 wrote:
Is there not now a fail for gasses likley to enter the vehicle, does that have any bearing here!!
Only class 5 count on that score  Last edited on Mon Jan 30th, 2012 05:07 pm by kit1958
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Posted: Mon Jan 30th, 2012 04:08 pm |
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Is there not now a fail for gasses likley to enter the vehicle, does that have any bearing here!!
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 10:15 pm |
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bimmer wrote: if the tail pipe has seperated from the rest of the exhaust but was still hanging there on it's mounts then there is the rfr major leak of exaust gas, but in my opinion if the tail pipe is missing and the remaining exhaust complies with the reg's then i would pass and advise.
So if the rear silincer was missing where or what is the postion of the tailpipe now?
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kit1958
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 06:43 pm |
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I guess somebody at VOSA thought it was a good idea  ah well
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 05:34 pm |
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if the tail pipe has seperated from the rest of the exhaust but was still hanging there on it's mounts then there is the rfr major leak of exaust gas, but in my opinion if the tail pipe is missing and the remaining exhaust complies with the reg's then i would pass and advise.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 11:22 am |
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kit1958
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 08:27 am |
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I have sent a message via the vts device, still waiting for an answer.
The point is if the exhaust system fitted "AT TIME OF TEST" does not have a tail pipe, if noise & emmisions are ok, how is that a fail?
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 11:10 pm |
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How should an NT go about correctly interpretating what VOSA have written here?
Maybe somebody should give them a phone call
Would the rear silencer missing cause a major leak?
If the rear silencer is not fitted, is the exhaust gasses emitted from the centre pipe more than what would have been expected at the tail pipe?
It would in fact be the same.
So if the rear silencer is missing, the questions to be asked I think are;
Is the exhaust system clearly noisy!
Is the exhaust system adequately supported?
If i remember correctly quite a while ago the Construction and Use Regulations did state that a minimum of one silencer only was necessary or was required, so the fact that the manufacturers have always fitted a minimum of two is above what was always expected.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 10:19 pm |
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kit1958 wrote: A lad at our place has just done his 3 day NT course & asked about after-market HID headlamp kits & was told NOT to fail them for missing washers or leval kits
Today I was looking for the advise on deteriated exhaust - gone, but worse than that the rfr for incompleate exhaust system is gone. So now it looks like you can fail for a major blow on the tail pipe, but if it comes back with the tailpipe/rear silencer removed its now a pass
Please someone tell me I have misread something, surly that cant be right?? http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm He would be correct in saying that due to the fact after market HID headlamp kits do not come with washers or levelling kits,personally i have never seen aftermarket kits supplied with washers/levelling devices.
Apart from that there is no reason for rejection anyway for MISSING washers or levelling devices;only inoperative or otherwise defective are the only reasons for rejections availible in the IM.
To try and make it more simpler to choose reasons for rejection,from the vts device ,VOSA have tried to make it easier in selecting them by combining several old RFR into one new one as stated below which would mean the same thing, thats why the old RFR exhaust incomplete has now gone..
Do you not think that if a vehicle was presented with its rear silencer missing would qualify for a major leak RFR 2 section 7.1 A MAJOR LEAK OF EXHAUST GASES FROM ANY PART OF THE SYSTEM,they have just taken away some of the rfr and combined them into such as the one above
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kit1958
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 09:06 pm |
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A lad at our place has just done his 3 day NT course & asked about after-market HID headlamp kits & was told NOT to fail them for missing washers or leval kits
Today I was looking for the advise on deteriated exhaust - gone, but worse than that the rfr for incompleate exhaust system is gone. So now it looks like you can fail for a major blow on the tail pipe, but if it comes back with the tailpipe/rear silencer removed its now a pass
Please someone tell me I have misread something, surly that cant be right?? http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm
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