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Macboydog
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Posted: Fri Nov 20th, 2009 08:16 pm |
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ccb2
There is NO "appeal" against your points. You can only "appeal" against withdrawal of your licence to test.
So if you ever get to that sorry state (You are on their radar now) make sure you prepare a very good case.
Look out for lurking inspectors hovering by the test bay. They are coming.........
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ccb2
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Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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| The reason I appealed was because I thought it harsh when they were the ones who distrubed the test. Anyway they have not altered their ruling and the 80 points stick
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nicknak
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Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 08:30 am |
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You only appeal if they did something wrong or, you bring in new evidence. Not because you don't like the outcome.
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removalizer
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Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 08:00 am |
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Why would you appeal if it was in your favour ?
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 10:23 pm |
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ccb2 wrote: No they finally came back and carried out an interview under caution. We explained our suspected reasons why items were missed to which they agreed...Am now waiting for the letter of their intentions - obviously to which we will appeal
Is that an appeal either way even if they agree in your favour?
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ccb2
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 07:28 pm |
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| No they finally came back and carried out an interview under caution. We explained our suspected reasons why items were missed to which they agreed...Am now waiting for the letter of their intentions - obviously to which we will appeal
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Stealth
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 04:30 pm |
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ccb2 wrote: Thanks for the replies I will keep you posted on the outcome.. They were VE's as they were recognised anyway.
I presume there's been no further action ?
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nicknak
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Posted: Sun Sep 6th, 2009 07:31 pm |
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Did you bother to ask them to see their warrant cards, and if so were they checked with area office?
They could have been imposters
Who would bother ha hahaha that is funny, how does the joke go, little jonny in school "what does your dad do for a living? He dresses up in womens Clothes miss and lets people take photo's of him. Teacher aske Jonny after the class, is that true Jonny. No miss he works for VOSA but I was too Embarrassed to say in class.
Last edited on Mon Sep 7th, 2009 03:49 pm by nicknak
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ccb2
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Posted: Sat Sep 5th, 2009 05:48 pm |
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| Thanks for the replies I will keep you posted on the outcome.. They were VE's as they were recognised anyway.
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 07:35 pm |
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Stealth wrote: ccb2 wrote:
We were also told thet they would return later in teh week to carry out an interview. This has never been done and we have heard no more as yet.
any advice?
If the tester or AE are not interviewed regards the alleged missed defects then no action can be taken.
Did you bother to ask them to see their warrant cards, and if so were they checked with area office?
They could have been imposters
seems funny they found faults the tester missed and then left without doing their job correctly
DB
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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ccb2 wrote:
We were also told thet they would return later in teh week to carry out an interview. This has never been done and we have heard no more as yet.
any advice?
If the tester or AE are not interviewed regards the alleged missed defects then no action can be taken.
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Macboydog
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 11:44 am |
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When a VE and his assistant arrives at a VTS they should follow a procedure.
If a re examination of a vehicle shows up missed defects such as brake hoses (20 points per item missed). Then he is interviewed immediately and photos of the defects taken.
The tester is cautioned by the interviewing VE who will make notes of ALL the questions and answers.
The Tester will have to sign the end of the note entries as a full and accurate interview.
All disciplinary action should be questioned fully and NEVER admit to anything until you have had time to consider your reply.
Would you say to a policeman, "Oh yea I was speeding back there". No, so apply the same rules.
A letter is subsequently sent out from the VOSA area office asking for reason why the defects were missed. This is where consultants come in. You need someone to understand how the dark side works.
Then you get points or not, as the case may be, not until the area office or the NEW discipline office down in Bristol /Avonmouth has judged you.
Good luck
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 07:19 am |
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Surely the VE's should have visually noted that a test was being conducted, and that the NT should not have been disturbed?
A VE knows if a NT is disturbed that items could get missed, and in this case the VE's are a contributing factor?
DB
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ccb2
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Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 03:43 am |
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| I wasnt actually in the building at the time. Yes I do support my Nt.. I know he is a good tester from customer feedback and all the qc checks Last edited on Fri Sep 4th, 2009 03:44 am by ccb2
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 10:35 pm |
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ccb2 wrote: he had raised the vehicle on the lift was about to check brake hoses when they entered and disturbed. He missed two hoses with a 40 point allocation. Every other part of the test was fine. Even all the performance reports show how this tester is higher than average on brakes. Which further leads me to the belief that it was due to being disturbed. We even had to put a barrier across the bay to stop the public entering and speaking to the tester when conducting tests ( a recommendation from an earlier visit)
Where were You, when Vosa carried out their "random spot check"?
Surely the "internal" jungle phone reacts in "milliseconds" and as an AE, You Were There! "Supporting" "Your" NT?
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martins
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 09:23 pm |
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| You should certainly make notes and get statements in writing from personnel involved and contact an MOT consultant at an early stage. They will advise on a 'damage limitation' procedure.
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ccb2
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 09:20 pm |
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| he had raised the vehicle on the lift was about to check brake hoses when they entered and disturbed. He missed two hoses with a 40 point allocation. Every other part of the test was fine. Even all the performance reports show how this tester is higher than average on brakes. Which further leads me to the belief that it was due to being disturbed. We even had to put a barrier across the bay to stop the public entering and speaking to the tester when conducting tests ( a recommendation from an earlier visit)
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 09:01 pm |
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It reads to me like a "random spot check" visit, where they can enter the premises at any time.
They stay in the bay to observe your "test routine" mainly front end and then retire to the parking area for the rest of the inspection.
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 08:44 pm |
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So he was warned close to the beginning of this test, and then continued the test and still missed these things, and now he is saying its because of the interruption?
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removalizer
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Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 08:27 pm |
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Could you give us more details regarding what defects were found and how many points allocated ?
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