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castrolrob
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Posted: Wed Jul 14th, 2010 09:14 pm |
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as a postscript to the below just waiting on the assessor signing off the last visual checks.scores on the doors were as follows-transmissions 65% pass(s**te i know)auxilliary electrics 75% merit(ditto)chassis systems 93% distinction,steering/brakes 93% distinction,engines/associated systems 96% distinction.the moral of this story is this,what sort of marks could i have achieved if i had actually looked at any of the coursework or instructional material within the supplied(non functional)dvd?
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Feb 14th, 2010 04:05 pm |
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aint spending all year on nvq3,assessor comes in,checks paperwork,buggers off.just waiting for coursework to be marked then go online for exams etc.aint no hurry,just gonna pretend me on nt exam and fail it...as an aside the only reason i is doing it is that knees/hips back etc are complaining loud and long,nvq3 is the minimum level at which you can teach at 6th form sort of level,if i hit the stage that i cant point at a blackboard and say do that then its time to nail the lid shut anyway!
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Stealth
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Posted: Sun Feb 14th, 2010 11:12 am |
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castrolrob wrote: bear in mind that vosas own staff include members with c+g/nvqs etc but little actual practical experience,
Minimum qualification for a VE is City & Guilds Technicians cert or the more modern equivalent of BTEC ONC 
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2010 11:48 pm |
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Hi Rob,
did that guy have a nickname, (Fub),?
You dont need to spend all year trying to get an NVQ level 3, (not very qualified)
Take the "ATA" Automotive Technician Accreditation Assesment route!
Have a browse, http://www.okwithata.org
A One or Two Day Assesment Course, depending on the level of which option you require, "Service Technician", "Diagnostic Technician" or "Master Technician" will cover this.
A few practical tests and an online multiple option questions test, and "Hey Presto"!
There are sample assesment papers online and online questionaires to help you make the right choice of which option is best suited for You.
Hope this helps,
Wes.
ps; used some JB Weld to sort an issue recently.
Last edited on Sat Feb 13th, 2010 11:52 pm by Wesley
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2010 08:36 pm |
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many years back(almost 30!)a guy i worked with got his mot licence due to having full city and guilds,passed his demo and started testing,he was coming up 18 at the time.after a few weeks of weird and wacky mot fails+passes i pulled him up and asked just exactly where he had ever worked as he plainly knew f*** all about cars.turned out he had done a year solid at college to a fairly high city+guilds level but had only spent about a fortnight actually working on them!the manager of the same garage(a former gopher of mine)took his ticket based on time served at about 20yrs old despite having only spent about 1yr actually in the workshop.the guy concerned has very little idea of how to fix anything but has still been testing on and off for almost 22yrs now(left our place 3 yrs ago)so crap like this has been going on for a lot longer than you might think.bear in mind that vosas own staff include members with c+g/nvqs etc but little actual practical experience,if you got the required paperwork and someone sponsors you then thats all you need.i think the current 1 month ban lark is at least partially designed to weed some of us old dinosaurs out due to lack of required paper qualifications.far better to have an advanced nvq than than to be able to construct a replacement engine from stickyback plastic and fairy liquid bottles.its one of the reasons i am now doing an nvq 3 myself.only in this country could you have to get qualifications to do a job youve been doing for 30 yrs in order to leave it and do summat else!
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KevG
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Posted: Fri Feb 12th, 2010 09:34 pm |
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Bones n Hombre
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Wesley wrote: Bones n Hombre wrote: relisys wrote: I know the situation to be true, lets just say I was in the right place at the wrong time.
Well than will you "turn a blind eye " or contact VOSA
I know what I would do , remember when you speak to someone on the phone ask for their name first , as it will put pressure on that person to pass the story on to their boss.
Definitely remind the person you speak to that you will name them when you phone the national newspaper and ask them "how they think their boss's will react when they find out that the story could have been stopped before it went public."
Another trick I used to use when making a compliant is to get the name of some producer or director from the credits of a consumer watchdog type tv show and then in the conversation drop that name as a relative of yours, and tell them how you will pass the story onto my "uncle" Mr ... ... , this definitely speeds up process's.
Where does some relative who presents some supermarket sweep type programme on "tv" come into play, "D", ...........
I put down a TV watchdog program not supermarket sweep
But want to know something funny....
I was on Supermarket sweep back in the early 90's, so its weirdly coincidental you picked that program , and yes , Dale is a lovely man 
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Feb 12th, 2010 12:12 am |
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Bones n Hombre wrote: relisys wrote: I know the situation to be true, lets just say I was in the right place at the wrong time.
Well than will you "turn a blind eye " or contact VOSA
I know what I would do , remember when you speak to someone on the phone ask for their name first , as it will put pressure on that person to pass the story on to their boss.
Definitely remind the person you speak to that you will name them when you phone the national newspaper and ask them "how they think their boss's will react when they find out that the story could have been stopped before it went public."
Another trick I used to use when making a compliant is to get the name of some producer or director from the credits of a consumer watchdog type tv show and then in the conversation drop that name as a relative of yours, and tell them how you will pass the story onto my "uncle" Mr ... ... , this definitely speeds up process's.
Is that the "eye" on the left, or the "eye" on the right? or was it the "Eye of the Tiger"?
the person you speak to will normally be called brian as in "the life of brian" You lucky lucky lucky person.............
Your "Uncle" Was He really "The Man from Uncle"????????????
Where does some relative who presents some supermarket sweep type programme on "tv" come into play, "D", ...........
If We All became a "compliant" then there wuold be no issues?
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big..E.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 10:56 pm |
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KevG wrote: HC stands for "High Cwolity"
Am I right?
Kev
Hard Cweshtion...!!....
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KevG
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Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 05:30 pm |
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HC stands for "High Cwolity"
Am I right?
Kev
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Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 04:04 pm |
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relisys wrote: I've seen people go for the NT exam and not know what HC stands for
HC...Hardcore, as in the "European" movies?
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Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 04:00 pm |
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It will get back to VOSA, question is will they act.
4 years on the spanners is a must but anyone can say that they have 4 years experiance and VOSA except it as true.There are no checks.
I think you also need a brain to understand the principle of how things work. When I did my NVQ L3 I was sat with 19 and 20 year olds who had no idea what points and condensor were. Granted not part of the mot test but unless you know how something works how can you be expected to test it. I've seen people go for the NT exam and not know what HC stands for or be able to calculate fuse ratings though these are NT exam questions.
I do not confess to know it all but I use my head and the tester manual and if I still don't know I ask
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Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 05:35 am |
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relisys wrote: I know the situation to be true, lets just say I was in the right place at the wrong time.
Well than will you "turn a blind eye " or contact VOSA
I know what I would do , remember when you speak to someone on the phone ask for their name first , as it will put pressure on that person to pass the story on to their boss.
Definitely remind the person you speak to that you will name them when you phone the national newspaper and ask them "how they think their boss's will react when they find out that the story could have been stopped before it went public."
Another trick I used to use when making a compliant is to get the name of some producer or director from the credits of a consumer watchdog type tv show and then in the conversation drop that name as a relative of yours, and tell them how you will pass the story onto my "uncle" Mr ... ... , this definitely speeds up process's.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10th, 2010 10:13 pm |
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| Minimum 4 years time served on the spanners in the Class you wish to test?..........Any one agree?............
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Posted: Wed Feb 10th, 2010 09:51 pm |
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I know the situation to be true, lets just say I was in the right place at the wrong time.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10th, 2010 05:15 pm |
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That is disgusting and here is the good news if you report the garage to VOSA , I am guessing you know who it is etc the AE will get in some serious trouble.
he accepts the responsibility for the guy he is nominating. E2.1.a
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/internet/htdocs/tgs0e000102.htm
An anonymous report to VOSA with the reminder to the person you speak to on the phone that the next person you will be telling about this "very serious safety issue to all road users" will be a national newspaper. I would imagine should get the ball rolling.
They should be able to verify the claims of the tester saying he is studying for a degree on his original application form.
E2.2 on the same link reads
In addition, anyone wishing to become an NT for vehicles of Classes III, IV, V or VII must
either possess an acceptable vocational educational qualification (see Appendix 5) or, in
the absence of such qualification, they must pass VOSA's Nominated Tester Assessment
examination (NTTA).
note the word must, said twice in the paragraph.
If the story is true (not doubting you at all , but maybe whoever told you the story) then VOSA are quiet clearly in breech of the legislation laid down for them.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10th, 2010 01:27 pm |
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The motor trades confidence in VOSA and their ability to operate the MOT scheme is often questioned. Here’s an example of why,
A garage owner who is also the AE has sent his son on the Nominated Tester Training course. Nothing unusual about that you may say. The son did not have to do the NT exam because in VOSA’s wisdom he is studying for a degree in automotive engineering and so has the basic knowledge. Having completed the 3 day tester training course he is now waiting to do his demonstration test. The problem is this guy has never set foot in a workshop let along worked on a car. He has blagged his way through assisted by loopholes in the VOSA scheme and may be MOT testing cars for the public in less than a months time.
It seems that if you know how to work the system, the smart card is yours
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