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Posted: Tue Sep 27th, 2011 03:58 pm |
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I agree but the pipes didn't burst, they just bulged so the burst, potentially, could have happened soon after.
Should we all be re-inspecting brake hoses after the RBT ?
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kit1958
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Posted: Tue Sep 27th, 2011 02:24 pm |
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| When I'v had pipes or hoses burst on test the manager has managed to convince the presenter they were lucky that it burst at the vts not on the road !!
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Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2011 12:02 pm |
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Hi Optional (?)
You're quite right, it's a tricky situation that's going to make testers uncomfortable with allowing cars to go back on the road without re-inspecting after the RBT so VOSA do probably need to get involved to see if there's a way around it.
I'm sure every tester has had either a hose burst or a pipe leak during RBT but put it this way, the hoses that did burst, if they were in just slightly better condition then they might have developed a bulge instead so the car could be on the road 20 minutes later and have to perform an emergency stop that would result in a burst!!
I can't see a clear cut case here.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2011 11:52 am |
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I can't say I have had a brake hose bulge up after a brake test but then again I do my brake test after the lift inspection so wouldn't know.
I've had brake pipes spring a leak during the roller test though. If it can happen to a pipe, then it can happen to a flexy hose too.
I wouldn't accept the vosa decision on this, we test to the procedure they lay out, if that procedure has the possibility of opening up these kind of issues then it has to be addressed their end.
Instigating disciplinary actions is not the way forward.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2011 09:35 am |
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Hi Wes
It wasn't my suggestion, it was the VOSA area inspector that told us we could end up covering the cost of a hose burst during RBT!
Kit, I agree, time of test, problem was that the car hadn't left the premises, it was only about 2 hours after the test so the spot check inspectors didn't view it that way, as far as they were concerned it was a miss.
Having said that, I would be inclined to agree with the inspectors if it was brake pads, discs, brake pipes etc, but the hoses are one of the components that could show fails quit suddenly.
True?
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Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2011 10:28 pm |
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Rossy wrote: Hi Wesley
I totally agree, we've had discussions with one of VOSA"s inspectors before about reversing the process but were told we'd get sued if we burst a hose on the rollers and hadn't already carried out the pit inspection.
I suppose the only safe bet is to do 2 pit inspections, before and after a roller test.
Who covers the additional cost?
over years of testing I personally have only experienced one "brake pipe failure" whilst carrying out an "rbt" after the inspection. It was hidden under a heat shield.
and I have had one personal experience of a "brake hose" failure during the inspection, It did actually miss squirting me in the eye!
I have been present, when colleagues have had a brake hose failure whilst carrying out the "rbt" and one cambelt failure whilst carrying out a "Diesel Smoke Emissions" Test.
Are You suggesting "We" should "Sue" the presenter of the vehicle for not taking into consideration, "Duty of Care"??
Surely, "The Cost", Is The Presenters??
regards, Wes.
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kit1958
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Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2011 08:07 pm |
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| Not heard of that prob myself, but if it was ok at " time of test"....
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Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2011 11:24 am |
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Hi Wesley
I totally agree, we've had discussions with one of VOSA"s inspectors before about reversing the process but were told we'd get sued if we burst a hose on the rollers and hadn't already carried out the pit inspection.
I suppose the only safe bet is to do 2 pit inspections, before and after a roller test.
Who covers the additional cost?
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2011 10:05 pm |
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Rossy wrote: We've just tested a VW Golf and it failed on the front O/S brake hose and a headlamp, VOSA inspectors carried out a spot check on the same car 2 hours later and both easily visible rear hoses also had bulges that we're sure were not there before!
We happen to know that this particular car had been standing for about 2 years prior to the test.
We suspect the rear hoses developed bulges during the brake roller test which is far more intensive than normal braking pressure and, typical of the ATL inspection process, we did not re-inspect the hoses after the roller test.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have not had an experience the same as you have posted.
This seems to raise the old question of, RBT First? or RBT After?
Our AE prefers us to carry out the RBT First.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2011 08:58 am |
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We've just tested a VW Golf and it failed on the front O/S brake hose and a headlamp, VOSA inspectors carried out a spot check on the same car 2 hours later and both easily visible rear hoses also had bulges that we're sure were not there before!
We happen to know that this particular car had been standing for about 2 years prior to the test.
We suspect the rear hoses developed bulges during the brake roller test which is far more intensive than normal braking pressure and, typical of the ATL inspection process, we did not re-inspect the hoses after the roller test.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
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