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volksjim
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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cheers wes mate cant get a punter to sign a disclaimer as this brings testing scheme into disrepute anyhoo got a job interview on monday...back to the nuts and bolts more money less hours and no hassle from vosa hopefully..win lose or draw can't see myself testing much longer...way far too much politics in mot's nowadays....screw road safety lets see how much we can earn for the govt. sorry but not me anymore
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keithd
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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I don't think you can get the customer to sign a disclaimer. I remember this being talked about at the time when the DSM test was brought in. Just as you have no power to stop them driving away from the VTS with a vehicle you've issued a VT30 with a dangerous to drive.
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removalizer
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 03:42 pm |
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volksjim wrote: removalizer wrote: I must admit I woouldn't do a refusal to test on sharp edges I would just do the test and fail it, but I'm different being a sole trader and the only tester, It wouldn't be in my interest to wind customers up.
what about fibre glass on rear chassis where axle bolts onto don't want to rip axle off during brake test which could leave you wide open
I think it would have done that before it arrived at the test station, however if I saw something like that I would get the customer back in and inform him of the dangers of carrying out the test and would he like me to carry on or even sign a disclaimer.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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volksjim wrote: Wesley wrote: very interesting, I beleive (Over Exuberance) Might come Into Play?
i hope you don't mean on my behalf?!!
I didn`t mean you, another quote they use when it`s in their favour is Over Zealous.
Wes.
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keithd
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 06:03 am |
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I would argue the case, reading the lastest special notice they say once again in bold text a tester has the right to refuse to test if they thinks there is a danger etc. Just because VE man (ex baker) does not agree that doesn't make it right.
Why give us the option of refusal to test in the first place if decissions overturned by someone else with little experience.
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volksjim
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 08:55 pm |
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removalizer wrote: I must admit I woouldn't do a refusal to test on sharp edges I would just do the test and fail it, but I'm different being a sole trader and the only tester, It wouldn't be in my interest to wind customers up.
what about fibre glass on rear chassis where axle bolts onto don't want to rip axle off during brake test which could leave you wide open
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removalizer
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 11:12 am |
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I must admit I woouldn't do a refusal to test on sharp edges I would just do the test and fail it, but I'm different being a sole trader and the only tester, It wouldn't be in my interest to wind customers up.
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volksjim
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 02:33 pm |
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Wesley wrote: very interesting, I beleive (Over Exuberance) Might come Into Play?
i hope you don't mean on my behalf?!!
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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| very interesting, I beleive (Over Exuberance) Might come Into Play?
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volksjim
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 08:46 pm |
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MOTman wrote: The appeals team in VOSA's Bristol HQ will carefully consider all the facts and arguments. You can either do it in writing or seek a hearing. Written method is quicker.
Your previous warning has probably not helped, but the appeals team will treat your case fair and square. About 20% appeals are overturned, so don't go looking for another career option just yet!!
PS They have the powers to quash any unfair warnnigs/debit points to both you and the AE.
interesting..just really peeves me off after testing thousands of cars over twenty years without a blemish to get treated like a silly wee boy by both VE and local area office over this one....the saga continues
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MOTman
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 02:07 pm |
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The appeals team in VOSA's Bristol HQ will carefully consider all the facts and arguments. You can either do it in writing or seek a hearing. Written method is quicker.
Your previous warning has probably not helped, but the appeals team will treat your case fair and square. About 20% appeals are overturned, so don't go looking for another career option just yet!!
PS They have the powers to quash any unfair warnnigs/debit points to both you and the AE.
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volksjim
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 06:28 pm |
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nicknak wrote: It can be 50 points but you cant get a ban, check the flow chart. whats your history.
The 50 points is for refusing to test on a non valid reason, you have a reason, were you given chance to explain like you have here on this post.
going for an appeal..see what happens to be honest i think this has gave me a kick up the ass i needed to get out of this game got an outstanding warning from last year for missing an item during a partial retest even though it never failed on it 1st time..cracked leaf springLast edited on Wed May 28th, 2008 06:29 pm by volksjim
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nicknak
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 10:52 am |
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It can be 50 points but you cant get a ban, check the flow chart. whats your history.
The 50 points is for refusing to test on a non valid reason, you have a reason, were you given chance to explain like you have here on this post.
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removalizer
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 09:13 pm |
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volksjim wrote: got my letter in today 50 points and a ban dammed if you do and dammed if you dont...free advice for anyone that wants to become a tester...DONT...20 trouble free years and now this...a fecking joke
This is scary, are we getting the full story here ? I can't believe the Little Hitlers are banning you for this, how long is the Ban for ?
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| Go For an Appeal!
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volksjim
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 06:29 pm |
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| got my letter in today 50 points and a ban dammed if you do and dammed if you dont...free advice for anyone that wants to become a tester...DONT...20 trouble free years and now this...a fecking joke
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scottyboy
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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volksjim wrote: never checked for defects as i was doing the pre check to make sure fuel cap doors etc..then noticed sills hangng out and bodyfiller so told presenter i thought car was dangerous then he kicked off shouting abuse..to try and calm him down i phoned swansea to try and clarify the situation and they agreed with me so produced vt30 refusel to test trying to type in reasons with presenter inches from my face shouting all manner of threats..now i don't think anybody should put up with that ..then i get even more grief the following day from VE....kinda peeves me off as i'm sure anyone else would be..trying to do your job to the best of your abilitys and getting what is basicly shafted from both ends by presenter and vosa..most unfair stealth
i personally think that their should be an rfr for vehicle presenters attitude. few times ive had abuse from presenters for failing their car, refuseing to test etc. And we get loads of gypsy's coming to our garage and you dont want to go upsetting them! i do manage to calm them down tho, by telling them "hey, could be worse, could be my car" oh they love that lol
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volksjim
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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| never checked for defects as i was doing the pre check to make sure fuel cap doors etc..then noticed sills hangng out and bodyfiller so told presenter i thought car was dangerous then he kicked off shouting abuse..to try and calm him down i phoned swansea to try and clarify the situation and they agreed with me so produced vt30 refusel to test trying to type in reasons with presenter inches from my face shouting all manner of threats..now i don't think anybody should put up with that ..then i get even more grief the following day from VE....kinda peeves me off as i'm sure anyone else would be..trying to do your job to the best of your abilitys and getting what is basicly shafted from both ends by presenter and vosa..most unfair stealth Last edited on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 09:55 pm by volksjim
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big..E.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 06:55 pm |
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| CHEERS STEALTH...
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Stealth
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 03:25 pm |
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An Appeal test is where the vehicle presenter submits a car which fails, and the presenter thinks it should have passed.
VOSA will then collect a full MOT fee as a deposit, and re-test the car. The car is re-tested at the VTS which issued the failure in order to ensure consistency as far as is possible - ie the same roller brake tester as originally used, the same headlamp aim tester- ATL/non ATL etc.
If the VE's examination finds the same results as the tester - the original faiure defects were justified, then VOSA collects the test fee.
If the vehicle should have passed, the VE will then issue a VT20, and may then take action against the tester & AE for incorrect standards. In this case the test fee is normally refunded.
An inverted appeal is the opposite, a VT20 is issued and the presenter thinks it should have failed.
In this case no fee is taken by VOSA, and, if appropriate, action is taken against the tester & AE for those defects found which should have failed.
Hope that clarifies things 
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