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castrolrob
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Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 11:43 am |
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predates optls.thats why it was on a video...
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motorhead
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Posted: Mon Mar 9th, 2009 07:59 am |
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yea the assistants got it easy these days, only needed for a few items now. But then again frees up his time for more tea ey 
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Posted: Sun Mar 8th, 2009 10:16 pm |
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Hi Castrolub,
nothing to do with the introduction of ATL's and OPTL's then .
ie. Assistant not mandatory.
rfr
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Mar 8th, 2009 05:31 pm |
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it aint,they sent out a training video showing us how to check lights etc.they then showed a vosa rep showing how it shud be done with NO ASSISTANT in the car.as a result due to an appeal they had to reword the manual and permit you to test headlamps with no gopher inside.sad aint it...all this crap for nuffin.
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motorhead
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Posted: Sat Mar 7th, 2009 12:03 pm |
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yea it is now 
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Posted: Sat Mar 7th, 2009 09:22 am |
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There is no requirement to have an assistant in the car for the headlamp check anyway!!
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motorhead
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Posted: Sat Mar 7th, 2009 07:41 am |
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Headlamps shurely not
when i had 2 VE come to check a car i mot'd the car which was fine no faults anywhere, they did the same and also found the car to be in order.
However the fella testing showed me the offside front beam explaining that it was slightly under the red line and could have done with a little adjustment, were talking about 1mm here folks not 10mm, i was gobsmacked as he said this time he wouldnt note it, my reply was his m8 was fatter than my assistant hence the lower pattern  just to break the seriousness from him and it worked
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Mar 7th, 2009 02:59 am |
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the thin blue line!
LOL!...............
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Posted: Thu Mar 5th, 2009 01:15 pm |
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Headlamps shurely not , who is going to even try to give points on lamps??
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Macboydog
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Posted: Wed Mar 4th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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Listen people. If you get a VE try and nail you for poor testing, first get help from another tester to see if the complaints are justified.
VE's are looking for penalty points.
I have just seen one letter that gave 20 points for a headlamp too high. So ask how high? half a degree 5 degrees. Was the vehicle moved since the test, yes as it happens. A number plate lamp was out.. another 20 points. Well it was ok at test, can the VE prove otherwise?
So as I said before, be careful not to admit something you regret later.
Challenge injustice (It's out there believe me). If the points add up to 30 a formal warning is in the bag.
AND do complain if the VE is a numpty, they are not really as important as they like to think.
I was one...
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Wesley
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 11:03 pm |
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Stealth wrote:
I'm just conjuring up a mental picture of Ford Granada's and 3 litre Capri's
and Jack Reagan's memorable line .........
We're the sweeney sonny, and we haven't had any dinner !!
We had one of these old Grannies turn up afew years back now on a Motorsport Rally, The Guys on the "Start" Timing Clocks were known as "The Hair Bear Bunch" and They went Wild
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 07:25 pm |
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in answer to what redress you have against the ve being a tosser-absolutely none.my opinion is when conducting appeal/inverted tests etc is that they shouldnt have access to any prior fail/pass/advisories but that aint gonna happen,got a 15 yr old discipliniary on my record with a covering letter stating that it was a very full and thorough test!he didnt issue any advises either....(my sheet had 12!)
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Stealth
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 06:00 pm |
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nicknak wrote: Its a shame if some VEs act that way.
+ 1
I'm just conjuring up a mental picture of Ford Granada's and 3 litre Capri's
and Jack Reagan's memorable line .........
We're the sweeney sonny, and we haven't had any dinner !!
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nicknak
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 02:33 pm |
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Its a shame if some VEs act that way.
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 01:38 pm |
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taruffi wrote: Now I've just had a VT55 re-inspection where the VE screamed into the yard like the Sweeney and wasn't going to stop until he found something.
Hi taruffi,
I know its not what you whant to hear, but as mentioned 20 points=ADVISE so take the advise and move on, I know its hard, but it was just "advise".
As for the visit, did they role over the bonnet to get to the car you had just tested or was it just locked brakes and doors flying off their hinges and lots of shouting and screeming . I'm trying to imagine their arrival !!!!!!!.
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nicknak
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 11:11 am |
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jonnyjohnson wrote: See my previous posts on his matter.
It is as if you could do with the likes of a trade union that would defend you all, and negotiate some of the dubious items you have to implement as part of your testing procedures.
VOSA have set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner, this would probably not happen in any other industry.
Your views?
Do you really not know how it works, Judge Jury and executioner, come on you’re having a laugh, the points system is so relaxed, you really have to try and get it wrong to get in bother. From your post I can gather nothing would make you happy, if you can’t take a 20 point AWL on the chin.
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 09:16 am |
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So what I want to know is what redress do I have.
hiya taruffi, i can only pass on the advise martin gave me and join the mot consultancy
http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-consultants.html
Looks expensive but from my experience its money well spent.
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sat Feb 21st, 2009 09:58 pm |
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glad to hear it geezer,keep em peeled next time!good luck for the next 5 yrs...
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Posted: Thu Feb 19th, 2009 05:51 pm |
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See my previous posts on his matter.
It is as if you could do with the likes of a trade union that would defend you all, and negotiate some of the dubious items you have to implement as part of your testing procedures.
VOSA have set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner, this would probably not happen in any other industry.
Your views?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18th, 2009 08:47 pm |
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Got slightly caught out by a mystery shopper car in October, but appealed the penalty points given because one of the two faults i missed wasn't set properly. Points all removed. Now I've just had a VT55 re-inspection where the VE screamed into the yard like the Sweeney and wasn't going to stop until he found something. What he eventually found was very small and open to much interpretation ( I rang a VOSA trainer and he thought it wouldn't be a fail). So 20 points, a letter saying I'm incompetent and that we'll have another visit within weeks. The VE meanwhile, used my advises to add to his list because he hadn't spotted them, suggested advising two rotten metal brake pipes I'd failed, and said it wasn't worth arguing as I wouldn't win.
So what I want to know is what redress do I have. It's hard enough running a business with all the regulation from VOSA and everybody else. I have an unsatisfactory visit to my name when I do a thorough fair MOT on every vehicle that comes through the bay. I'm not perfect and can make and admit mistakes, but VOSA can't and don't? Where do I go to get someone to look at the level of competence of the VE?
I'm so mad at the moment. It makes VOSA look like a bunch of fools and I have no respect for them. Sorry for the rant - had to do something before the blood pressure blew.....
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