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 Posted: Mon Mar 14th, 2011 10:19 pm
   
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We go by the manual - one standard

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 Posted: Tue Mar 8th, 2011 11:00 am
   
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Just as a ps don't vosa always say the latest version of "the book" is on line, therfore what ever it says online is what counts ?

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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 09:10 pm
   
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What jock says. The RFR is: "Washer provides insufficient fluid" Doesnt matter how many washers are, or are not working. Its either washing the screen or it isnt.

 

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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 08:03 pm
   
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"dvd means hee haw it's what is in the manual that counts!!" as said on refresher course last year..kinda sums it up for me :)

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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 05:47 pm
   
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Computerisation is worded differently than the MOT Manual, and they do specifically make it a point to note in their DVD, remember this is VOSA's wisdom:D

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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 03:46 pm
   
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I think they mean one washer is all you need IF it clears the screen, and not you only need one washer working full stop. One working washer won't always be good enough. Common sense in conjunction with the manual.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2011 09:39 pm
   
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kit1958 wrote: Has the rfr for screen washers just changed ?

"There was an old reason for rejection that said something like windscreen washers did not provide any liquid to clear the swept area, now VOSA say that "ONLY" one washer needs to provide liquid, and this can be on the passenger's side of the vehicle, i.e. the swept area, so when driving along the motorway with a HGV in front straight out of the quarry, totally spraying your front end of your vehicle with mud, it's OK because you have one washer jet to clear the swpet area and ZONE A effectively, then your safe"

As far as I can tell the book say's
The windscreen washers do not provide enough liquid to clear the windscreen in conjunction with the wiper(s).
There dosen't seem to be any numbers mentioned, so if it dosnt spray on both sides of the screen it aint providing enough liquid, so surly no water on either side fails, or am i missing somthing??


In VOSA's wisdom from Bristol in their DVD, either the DVD "A Vroom with a View" or the "Class of its Own", they show using an Audi A4 the nearside windscreen washer providing liquid ONLY, they REASON that the liquid will be SWEPT OVER to the ZONE A by the operation of the wiper blade, and they say this is effective enough for a Pass:(

While the New Manual says "Washers", when you go into the Drivers View of the Road Via Computerisation, you will read that the reason for rejection specifically says, "WASHER", and not WASHERS?

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 Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2011 09:20 pm
   
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Has the rfr for screen washers just changed ?

"There was an old reason for rejection that said something like windscreen washers did not provide any liquid to clear the swept area, now VOSA say that "ONLY" one washer needs to provide liquid, and this can be on the passenger's side of the vehicle, i.e. the swept area, so when driving along the motorway with a HGV in front straight out of the quarry, totally spraying your front end of your vehicle with mud, it's OK because you have one washer jet to clear the swpet area and ZONE A effectively, then your safe"

As far as I can tell the book say's
The windscreen washers do not provide enough liquid to clear the windscreen in conjunction with the wiper(s).
There dosen't seem to be any numbers mentioned, so if it dosnt spray on both sides of the screen it aint providing enough liquid, so surly no water on either side fails, or am i missing somthing??

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 Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2011 09:32 pm
   
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Bright Ideas? wrote:

I think VOSA's view of the scheme standards are a lot lower than maybe the NT's are expecting them to be:shock:

Undoubtedly true and yet testers keep getting points for minor items. You can't second guess how they are going to view something. I've always said I'm not paranoid, I know they're out to get me.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2011 07:46 pm
   
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I understand what you are saying Kev, and I agree with you, but we are talking about VOSA here. I'll give you another good example of VOSA thinking, it's regarding the drivers view of the road;

There was an old reason for rejection that said something like windscreen washers did not provide any liquid to clear the swept area, now VOSA say that "ONLY" one washer needs to provide liquid, and this can be on the passenger's side of the vehicle, i.e. the swept area, so when driving along the motorway with a HGV in front straight out of the quarry, totally spraying your front end of your vehicle with mud, it's OK because you have one washer jet to clear the swpet area and ZONE A effectively, then your safe:(

Seems funny to me that each time these new lower standards are implied that the persons on the DVD's are just ready to retire, so nobody can come back on them for their poor decisions and totally lack of real experience in the real world outside their office windows:D

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 11:48 pm
   
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So why are NTs getting points for missing air fresheners on rear view mirrors/

Whats worse, 4mm play in a bearing or a!"Feu Orange"?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 10:52 pm
   
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I was advised by a VOSA trainer many years ago to pass and advise brake pipes where the presenter had grease over them, however he also said that if the NT chose to remove the grease that it was permissible, but must put grease back on the pipes.

To be honest in my life time testing vehicles I have had a few pipes burst in the rollers, even leak after brake servo checks, and where brake pipes have grease or surface corrosion present I don't make a song and dance about it, I just pass and advise:D

Reading some threads on this forum over time I think some NT's are too worried about the future:?, as on senior VE once said to me, if you pass and advise a wheel bearing free play with about 3 to 4 mm present, and when the presenter of the vehicle drives it out of your VTS onto the open road and the wheel fell off, its nothing to do with the mot scheme and the NT has nothing to worry about.

On another occassions at a seminar, a trainer said in response to my question on brakes, if after completing the park brake efficiency test the park brake did not release, and therefore the brake was binding, he said that is nothing to do with the mot test, its passed?

I think VOSA's view of the scheme standards are a lot lower than maybe the NT's are expecting them to be:shock:

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 10:17 pm
   
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KevG wrote:
Hi Guys, Dont want to split hairs or start any argy bargy but...

How do you know the pipe is dangerous if you say you cant check it?

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I don't , but at the same time I don't know it isn't & people who smear brake pipes in a very thick coating of grease are ( more often than not) trying to hide something .
and an advisory is just that ( even says on the back that it is the testers opinion ) that would be my answer if anyone was ever to question me on this.
have had cars come in with thick wet underseal sprayed on the brake pipes , same applied with that as well .
don't know that I am 100% right in advising in this way but its the only way I can see of safely covering my own rear aspects so to speak .:D

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 09:49 pm
   
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Hi Guys, Dont want to split hairs or start any argy bargy but...

How do you know the pipe is dangerous if you say you cant check it?

Kev

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 08:53 pm
   
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removalizer wrote:
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How do you word the gangerous rfr advisory on the brake pipes


normally something along the lines of " unable to fully check condition of brake pipes due to being covered in grease " & then tick the dangerous box

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 08:28 pm
   
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Hey Kev1975

How do you word the gangerous rfr advisory on the brake pipes

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 Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 07:40 pm
   
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castrolrob wrote: scraping off the underseal from a repair constitutes"damage to the vehicle"so you are supposed to replace it afterwards along with the protective coating(i.e.grease)that you removed from that rotten brakepipe that they camouflaged with copaslip.mind how you go lads....
We are not supposed to be scraping the underseal off repairs so there won't be any need to replace it afterwards.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 09:24 pm
   
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Last year I tested a Land Cruiser with a blowing exhaust and brake pipes coated in thick grease and soot, nice. When asstant pressed the brake one burst above the fuel tank, it was one of the dirty'st jobs i have ever done when I hade to replace them :X
Still in years gone by the wire brush was used as a teaching tool on apprentices, prob not allowed now
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 Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 07:55 pm
   
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volksjim wrote:
getting a fair few from one trader with all the pipes covered in grease..i just pass and advise them..boils my pee a wee tad looking forward to one bursting on the brake tester hope that scares him into submission...probally not:X

I have peed a few off by leaving them with a manual advisory marked as dangerous .
what I don't get is why anyone would be stupid enough to take a risk with their or other peoples lives , we can't remove the grease as it is a protective coating so they end up blagging an MOT .
then when the brakes fail they will be back complaining that the death trap of a car should never have passed in the first place .
if the pipes are rotten then they need to be replaced , simple as .

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 Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 07:52 pm
   
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Hi Volksjim.

 

We used to have a trader that used at least a tin of underseal per repair.

what can you do? asked him if he would consider not painting it until after retestto no availe.

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