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Ford KA Sill Repair  Rating:  Rating
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 Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2012 11:21 am
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They missed 2 letters out of the model name.   "R" & "P" it's really a Ford KrAp

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 Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2012 10:53 am
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I don't know much about the "rat look" but with a KA it's more like a "scrapheap challenge" look :D

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 Posted: Fri Nov 2nd, 2012 08:43 am
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Not much chance of that, Wes :D  It's just something that I've wondered for a while with the "can't fail for stuff you can't see" rule and seeing the thread reminded me to ask ;)

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 Posted: Thu Nov 1st, 2012 11:16 pm
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Hi SM,

please tell me that you are not considering buying a modern "caulinder"?:shock: lol!:D

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Didn't spot this thread when it started, but just curious what the score would be if a car came in covered in that sort of plate and the presenter told you it was just there for styling?  Some people like the rat look, and go to huge lengths to get it, there may be some out there who'd like the "Mad Max look".

As I read the manual, it would appear it would have to be a P&A because there's no way you can inspect the structure under the "styling" no matter how certain you are that they're bull*****ing you?

Maybe you could go for the rivet holes (which must go into the sill underneath) being a modification that substantially weakens the structure?

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Only fully seam welded is ok on prescribed area

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This is an old topic but I had to comet on that seal repair job, lol who in there right mind puts rivets in a seal repair , I've seen some right works of art come through the workshop over the years, one guy even went as far as filling his escort seals full of concrete :shock: it was the workshop joke for month, I really wish people would take better care of there cars,it kills me to see stuff like this, new seals should be seam welded right the way though, well that's what I do, then filled over and rendered in with the rest of the body work

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going back to what jock said, what if you failed a sill for being holed and corroded in a prescribed area and when it came back for retest it had a plastic body kit fitted covering the sills, and the presenter says it has been welded but you cant see it, even if you suspect it has not been done you cant prove it so P+A so wouldn't that be the same for a riveted panel which you were told is covering a dent.





Yep Exactly the same, and thats the point. Someone said earlier we haven't got x-ray eyes, but we don't need them. It's all down to sharing responsibility again. By giving a VT32 with a clear explanation of your doubts, you've proven that you did your job properly. The responsibility for the condition of that repair is no longer yours, but the car owners, because he knows whats under the plate,cover, underseal or whatever. Or he knows at least that it might be suspect,and might need to have it checked out if it's been done by a bodge merchant

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Been a tester for 20 years and been looking at this forum for a while and this topic has intrigued me to sign up to see the photos. And without a shadow of doubt I would of failed this

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going back to what jock said, what if you failed a sill for being holed and corroded in a prescribed area and when it came back for retest it had a plastic body kit fitted covering the sills, and the presenter says it has been welded but you cant see it, even if you suspect it has not been done you cant prove it so P+A so wouldn't that be the same for a riveted panel which you were told is covering a dent.




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Just out of interest though, could I refuse to test on the grounds of unable to inspect prescribed area?

If you did that you would have to refuse just about every car that has any type of 'cosmetic' bodywork ;)

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After having written that I believe a riveted repair in a prescribed area would have to fail, I've had to back down on that, because it would be the same as any repair you coudln't inspect properly e.g. covered in underseal. If the presenter tells you it is only a dent, you can't force him to remove the covering to show you. Remember where it says the benefit of the doubt must go to the presenter? It would have to be pass and advise, plainly stating your doubts on the advisory sheet

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Thanks for that Stealth. Haven't had a situation like that yet but it would prompt a call to local office and lots of photos. Just out of interest though, could I refuse to test on the grounds of unable to inspect prescribed area?

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I agree with all of you, but the original analogy with the wheel trims doesn't match.
If you fail a car because 2 wheel nuts out of 4 are missing, and the presenter goes away and brings it back 5 minutes later with a wheel trim fitted, you have to pass and advise.
Where in the manual does it state that you can't rivet a piece of metal on your car to cover a dent.
 


if that piece of metal is riveted over a prescribed area then it is a repair of that area , whether over a dent or rot ( we don't have x ray eyes).
that repair is not adequate & therefore I would fail it every time .

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And also, what would the answer be to this if the presenter brought the car in for an initial test with a cover sill tacked / riveted on and said "It's not rusty, just covering a dent"

 


mjk - I have a feeling that - should this question be pointed at the MOT policy guys - the answer would be Pass & Advise :shock:

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I agree with all of you, but the original analogy with the wheel trims doesn't match.
If you fail a car because 2 wheel nuts out of 4 are missing, and the presenter goes away and brings it back 5 minutes later with a wheel trim fitted, you have to pass and advise.
Where in the manual does it state that you can't rivet a piece of metal on your car to cover a dent.
 

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FAIL
I know I have said it again and again but read the manual - repair is not acceptable wether test or retest

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I would still fail it regardless of what the presenter was saying , inadequate repair all the way :D

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Hi MJK

The same Applies.

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