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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 08:01 am
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I'm just playing devil's advocate & getting you to think a little before you jump to the 'Fail' conclusion
 

totally agree and appreciate good feedback, nice to see sensible replies instead of silly ones.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 12th, 2010 08:20 pm
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kit1958 wrote:  Sorry to disagre but CYA has to be the way to go for me not a difficult one to ague I feel.


There's no agree or disagree kit - I'm just playing devil's advocate & getting you to think a little before you jump to the 'Fail' conclusion.

If you can justify the fail on the grounds of toddlers fingers etc then that's the correct decision & I'm sure your local VE wouldn't disagree if he comes calling.

Neither would I.

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Ok thanks for the lesson, and yes I undersand about about bumpers or panels removed, or bits bolted on for that matter "caused by accdent damage or corrosion" makes things dangerous, but I think that the example shown.....
If some todler was to loose a finger the local ve would be (rightly) all over any nt that had just P&A, it is such an easy fix, gaffer tape works for me. Sorry to disagre but CYA has to be the way to go for me not a difficult one to ague I feel.

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motorhead wrote: what about the sharp or jagged edges?



Gotta read the RFR in more detail kit ....

A sharp edge or projection, caused by corrosion or damage, which renders the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians

You can't fail it JUST BECAUSE it has a sharp edge, the sharp edge HAS TO render the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians, and the sharp edge HAS TO have been caused by damage or corrosion.


For example, if you were to remove the front bumber from a vehicle by un-bolting it completely, but left the brackets protruding, you CANNOT fail for sharp edges or projections. 

If, on the other hand, part of the bumper had been broken off due to accident damage, resulting in said sharp edges or projections - then you CAN fail it.

Might sound daft, but that's the way it goes.......;)

 

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what about the sharp or jagged edges?

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Thanks for the advise, but how big or small is a childs hand, or fingers for that matter?

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kit1958 wrote: Thanks for the quiz, it looks like the small hole may be in presc area, if so fail, if not in presc area I would fail both holes as "dangerous body work, to pedestrians, caused by corrosion". So I guess my answer is fail. Right or rong?

Correct - the small hole at the top falls within the seat belt prescribed area - I'd tread carefully regards the  'dangerous bodywork' bit though - my inclination would be to pass & advise - unless the hole was big enough for a child to put a hand into.

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Thanks for the quiz, it looks like the small hole may be in presc area, if so fail, if not in presc area I would fail both holes as "dangerous body work, to pedestrians, caused by corrosion". So I guess my answer is fail. Right or rong?

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kit1958 wrote: Coming back to our friend, the Ka, had one today very crusty around the filler neck. As I measured it for proximity to seat belt mounting, just uver 30cm, my qc reconed that it was not prescribed area anyway :?, but I am sure it woud be if it was less than 30cm.
Any comments or ideas how to tell my qc without him sulking for weeks?


Pass, Fail, or Advise kit ?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/stealth750/DSCN0855.jpg

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Is tha the one with one with dissolving sills?:)Didnt thnk cross member pres area - no steering or sus units near?

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not a two door with the rear sills corroded below the b pillars then?

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kit1958 wrote: Coming back to our friend, the Ka, had one today very crusty around the filler neck. As I measured it for proximity to seat belt mounting, just over 30cm, my qc reconed that it was not prescribed area anyway? but I am sure it woud be if it was less than 30cm?:?
Any comments or ideas how to tell my qc without him sulking for weeks?


What about? Our Old friend, "Nissan" Micra?

Came in for a "Clutch" replacement, and "The Front" "X" Member, Had "Dissientegrated" Itself, Into, "Oblivion"!:shock: 

 

 

 

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Thanks for your comments chaps, I will see if I can do to educate him, but as long as I do my bit right 30 points not comming for me! :)

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kit1958 wrote: Coming back to our friend, the Ka, had one today very crusty around the filler neck. As I measured it for proximity to seat belt mounting, just uver 30cm, my qc reconed that it was not prescribed area anyway :?, but I am sure it woud be if it was less than 30cm.
Any comments or ideas how to tell my qc without him sulking for weeks?

It's 'supporting panelling' kit, ask him if he wants to take the risk of 30 points ;)

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yep, its in there its if theres only a driver the vehicle only needs front tyres and front brakes, similar to a bike mot. you know?? no need for rear chassis etc.

i think not

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er,get him to read the manual?not heard of an exemption to prescribed areas for seatbelts on the grounds that its a ka but it could be in there....

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Coming back to our friend, the Ka, had one today very crusty around the filler neck. As I measured it for proximity to seat belt mounting, just uver 30cm, my qc reconed that it was not prescribed area anyway :?, but I am sure it woud be if it was less than 30cm.
Any comments or ideas how to tell my qc without him sulking for weeks?

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kit1958 wrote: Here near Witts End, young folk talk about there apple music box's, blackberry's that can be used as a mobile phone, now we have cars that have crumble zones. Is this the start of somthing tasty? :D:D
apple crumble,? blackberry crumble,?:? Maybye, "Rhubarb Crumble"!;)...:P:P...:D

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Here near Witts End, young folk talk about there apple music box's, blackberry's that can be used as a mobile phone, now we have cars that have crumble zones. Is this the start of somthing tasty? :D:D

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