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 Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2010 11:56 pm
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whilst i agree with the brake pipes all i can say is i hope you have an "off day" and get nailed to the wall..shame on you for not having a disreet word with vts 1st..'nuff said:X sorry:shock:

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 Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2010 07:15 pm
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One of the testers at our place was told on his refresher that our VE holds the record at VOSA for number of complaints against him. As far as he is concerned everybody is rong, but of corse he is right !!

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 Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2010 04:34 pm
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my VE likes to make elephant jokes, so he is known around the VTS as dumbo. :D

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 Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2010 10:45 am
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Sorry it posted twice for some reason :?

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Stealth wrote:
fedup wrote: So VE claims one exhaust mounting/hanger missing is a fail? Hmm :?
Quite agree with you fedup - gives us a bad rep....;)


Stealth I can honestly say in 30 years in the trade I've never had a bad VE. I've always got on very well with them even as far as crack a joke and have a laugh,Of course the tea/coffee and biscuits helps :D would appear some may need to read the amendments to the bible :D of course we can't see the full exhaust in photo so could be wrong but I seriously doubt it's not held somewhere else :shock:

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fedup wrote: So VE claims one exhaust mounting/hanger missing is a fail? Hmm :?
Quite agree with you fedup - gives us a bad rep....;)

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 Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2010 11:56 pm
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relisys wrote: I've been testing for 15 years in which time VOSA have never had any concern with my ability to test and yes I have been subject to spot checks. I have been buying vehicles for over 20 years many of which are unseen. I expect some defects but this is the 1st one I have bought which had an MOT issued the day before I collected and had covered less than 1/2 a mile since test.  Any buyer should expect the vehicle to be roadworthy in such a case. My post was very much to see what other testers made of the defects that I listed.  There is no harm in comparing notes. I had already concluded that I would have failed the brake pipes, exhaust mounting and tyre and advised the other items, the same conclusion reached by my local VE.  For the record upon light scraping of the pipes the extent or corrosion was easily visable something the original tester failed to do.  The centre exhaust system had no support at all. I agree there is no requirment to advise on defects but its prudent and covers your back.

 


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 Posted: Thu Oct 28th, 2010 02:27 pm
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Hmmm

Section 7.1 - of the Manual - Reason for Rejection 1b states  .....

an exhaust system not adequately supported ..... but

Method of Inspection note states .....

Note: The overall security of the exhaust system should be assessed; one or more exhaust mountings missing may not be a Reason for Rejection.  

I could be inclined to give the tester the benefit of doubt on the exhaust ;)

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I've been testing for 15 years in which time VOSA have never had any concern with my ability to test and yes I have been subject to spot checks. I have been buying vehicles for over 20 years many of which are unseen. I expect some defects but this is the 1st one I have bought which had an MOT issued the day before I collected and had covered less than 1/2 a mile since test.  Any buyer should expect the vehicle to be roadworthy in such a case. My post was very much to see what other testers made of the defects that I listed.  There is no harm in comparing notes. I had already concluded that I would have failed the brake pipes, exhaust mounting and tyre and advised the other items, the same conclusion reached by my local VE.  For the record upon light scraping of the pipes the extent or corrosion was easily visable something the original tester failed to do.  The centre exhaust system had no support at all. I agree there is no requirment to advise on defects but its prudent and covers your back.

 

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 Posted: Wed Oct 27th, 2010 09:29 pm
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all i can see is what looks like an approx 16 year old vw transporter which you bought without looking at it.....how long did you say you had been a tester?the pics you posted all look like marginal pass/fail/advise level from what i can see so my guess is that he will get"decision marginally/moderately wrong"with a pretty low level of points.dont get me wrong,any or all of the below should have been advised at the very least by any competent tester but advisories AINT compulsory.all he has to do is claim it werent leaking oil at the time or that whatever component the complaint is about looked ok to him to kill that one stone dead.caveat emptor and all that.

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So VE claims one exhaust mounting/hanger missing is a fail? Hmm :?

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So this is what the local VE had to say.

Brake pipes - fail

tyre - fail, hard to see in photo but tread wear extendes into centre 3/4

exhaust - fail, system not supported

OSF Suspension - Fail

Oil leak - should have been P & A or refuse to test

Sharp edges - P & A

Headlight chip - P & A

various other items such as shocker bushes perished etc which should have been a P & A.  All in all the test was substandard which I think we can all see.

 

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 i agree light scraping would be essential to make better judgement of their condition but i was baseing my response on the photos as i believe you might have been in the first line of your first post. it looks as though the tester might not have even used the cat tool on the caliper pipes, especially photo 6.   it just goes to show the importance of checking a vehicle before parting with your hard earned money. :)

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bimmer wrote: FAIL on all brake pipes, P & A  on the rest and maybe a refresher course for the tester.

A little 'light scraping' with the corrosion assessment tool might be required for the small caliper pipes before making a decision bimmer - and it's always subjective trying to make a decision based on photographs ;)

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FAIL on all brake pipes, P & A  on the rest and maybe a refresher course for the tester.

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Fail on brake pipes in my opinion, certainly the section along the chassis. :(

Pass & advise on tyre.

Pass & advise on exhaust mounting.

Pass & advise on front bumper brackets.

Pass & advise on oil leaks - or refuse to test depending on how bad it was at the time of test.

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Personally the tyre would be a pass and advise along with everything else. The brake pipes are always as there is no way of correctly assessing they are 1/3 of original thickness so personally i would pass and advise. If it was leaking oil as bad as you have said then i personally would have aborted test due to condition of vehicle making unsafe to carry out a proper examination.

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No sign of any pictures. How did you upload them?

Allowed extensions: bmp gif jpg jpeg png txt zip.

The file size should not exceed 200000 bytes (about 200kb, so not very large)

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customers dont need to be given opacity read outs,i only double print them if it fails,just one copy required to kept at vts,cant see your pics though so cannot comment on anything else

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