board_home 

Visit the
UK MOT Testing
Industry Portal


imi training

 Moderated by: Stealth, MOTman, KevG, bimmer
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
EU Testable Items II  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2018 02:26 pm
  PM Quote Reply
1st Post
Paul S
Member


Joined: Mon Aug 17th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 224
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Why hasn't the manual been updated yet?
Dangerous cars are passing the mot test legitimately because of the omissions in the poorly worded manual.
light interaction/brake hose ferrules/hazard lights/tyre valves/beam image etc to name but a few.
It's no good telling us cracked is the same as broken as has been suggested in one answer.
If it's not worded correctly and in the manual we can't fail it.
Making the defect fit the inappropriate wording in the manual should not have to be an option.

Just copied off Matters of Testing.. bloke that wrote it is a biker

Why is there confusion:?

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 09:14 pm
  PM Quote Reply
2nd Post
motorhead
Trade Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 19th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 115
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
having taken a step back and taken onboard what it says it makes sense and is "SIMPLES"

Ive re-read the SN, and now its clicked. thanks for pointing that out, gonna have to take the work home and read some more in the future till it sinks in, cheers.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 07:23 pm
  PM Quote Reply
3rd Post
RFR
Member
 

Joined: Tue Mar 4th, 2008
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 323
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Why is there confusion:?

Sn 9:2011 asks us it include all items into our TEST ROUTINE, but we cannot fail any of the items in Annex B of the Sn. So I have Annex B alongside comp. and I can fail everything that I can in the manual, except what is listed in Annex B until we are given a date. Up until that date I will have to manually advise, for the Annex B items are not on comp.

This is what the front page of SN9:2011 tells us to do and having taken a step back and taken onboard what it says it makes sense and is "SIMPLES"

rfr:)

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 12:52 am
  PM Quote Reply
4th Post
kit1958
Trade Member


Joined: Sat May 15th, 2010
Location: The Finest Country On Earth , United Kingdom
Posts: 1099
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Center pages n Matters of Testing, when you get it (or if);)

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jan 7th, 2012 03:42 pm
  PM Quote Reply
5th Post
motorhead
Trade Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 19th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 115
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
With regard to the new EU Testable Items, we have now been notified that all items which have a Reason for Refusal on the computer SHOULD BE CHECKED for the MOT inspection and failed if necessary using the RFR on the computer.

where does one find this information, or are the SN misleading us? confused now lol.




 

Last edited on Sat Jan 7th, 2012 03:46 pm by motorhead

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jan 7th, 2012 04:03 am
  PM Quote Reply
6th Post
kev1975
Trade Member
 

Joined: Wed Sep 5th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 912
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
found the one for ball joint dust covers split & used it :D

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jan 7th, 2012 02:23 am
  PM Quote Reply
7th Post
castrolrob
Trade Member
 

Joined: Sun Sep 10th, 2006
Location: Luton,a Minor Province Of, Bangladesh
Posts: 1322
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
depressing aint it?thought battery insecure was a failure but even tho its listed as such in the guide(along with everything else)it aint on the computer even as an advisory.if we are supposed to pass/fail/advise these items why aint they on there?dropping this s**te on us with no training/prior warning etc?yes you could have looked it up on the website but in common with many others we aint got internet access at work and i aint spending my evenings at home looking up stuff that should be available to me as a tester BEFORE the public etc have 3 mnths of looking at it as opposed to after.why are sns and s**te like our current additional burden released to every man and their dog a couple of months before the poor bastards that actually have to enforce them get a look in?surely it shud be the other way round.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 10:44 pm
  PM Quote Reply
8th Post
martins
Administrator


Joined: Sat May 27th, 2006
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 317
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Come on VOSA - sort it out! – peoples' livelihoods depend on this, not to mention road safety.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 10:23 pm
  PM Quote Reply
9th Post
Stealth
Super Moderator


Joined: Wed Oct 31st, 2007
Location: Back To Reality, United Kingdom
Posts: 1483
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
martins wrote:
Yup - a good start to 2012. There seems to be confusion even among VEs, so we're not commenting any further.


Errmm - that will be because VOSA dropped a clanger & haven't rolled out any training on the new items to half of it's VE's yet !!!!:shock::shock:

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 10:20 pm
  PM Quote Reply
10th Post
martins
Administrator


Joined: Sat May 27th, 2006
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 317
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yup - a good start to 2012. There seems to be confusion even among VEs, so we're not commenting any further.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 10:13 pm
  PM Quote Reply
11th Post
Stealth
Super Moderator


Joined: Wed Oct 31st, 2007
Location: Back To Reality, United Kingdom
Posts: 1483
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
martins wrote:
CORRECTION:

With regard to the new EU Testable Items, we have now been notified that all items which have a Reason for Refusal on the computer SHOULD BE CHECKED for the MOT inspection and failed if necessary using the RFR on the computer.

Other items which do not have an item to fail on the computer should be checked but are advisory only, until further notice.

We understand that VOSA will be providing a clarification on this issue in the immediate future.




Well martins - VOSA have done really well with this one :shock:

I'll be expecting some phone calls from confused testers :(

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 05:57 pm
  PM Quote Reply
12th Post
martins
Administrator


Joined: Sat May 27th, 2006
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 317
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
CORRECTION:

With regard to the new EU Testable Items, we have now been notified that all items which have a Reason for Refusal on the computer SHOULD BE CHECKED for the MOT inspection and failed if necessary using the RFR on the computer.

Other items which do not have an item to fail on the computer should be checked but are advisory only, until further notice.

We understand that VOSA will be providing a clarification on this issue in the immediate future.


Last edited on Fri Jan 6th, 2012 09:40 pm by martins

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

Current time is 04:41 pm  
MOT Forum - The MOT Testing Forum for the UK MOT Testing Industry > Trade Category (MOT Trade Discussions) > DVSA/VOSA Performance Monitoring – bad experience? Let us know | MOT Forum > EU Testable Items II Top




UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2011 Data 1 Systems