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 Posted: Mon Mar 19th, 2012 09:53 pm
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http://www.europeanfoundation.org/my_weblog/2011/02/eu-makes-compulsory-low-beam-daytime-headlights-in-uk-from-today.html

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Motorists in new cars will be forced to drive with dipped headlights at any time of the day, under a new EU directive.

The move, which will become compulsory in three years, will bring Britain in line with many other European countries.

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Day lamps: Motorists in new cars will have to drive with dipped headlights in the daytime under the EU directive

It is going ahead despite road safety fears, environmental concerns and opposition from the Government.

The directive requires all new models of cars and vans built from early 2011 and buses and lorries from 2012 to have "day lamps".

The idea originated in Scandinavian countries where it is dark all day in winter.

But critics claim it will damage the environment and cause more fatalities and accidents, particularly to motorcyclists who already keep their lights on in the daytime.

The admission was made by transport minister Jim Fitzpatrick in a written parliamentary answer to Liberal Democrat Greg Knight.

Mr Fitzpatrick said: "The UK has been successful in arguing against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.

"From early 2011 all new types of passenger car and light van will have to be fitted with dedicated daylight lamps".

Daylight lamps are lights that automatically come on when a vehicle moves forward.

They were first made mandatory in Sweden in 1977. Other Scandinavian countries soon followed suit. Currently they are used in 14 EU countries.

Critics, however, said there are serious drawbacks.

RAC spokesman Adrian Tink said: "Motorcyclists who use dipped headlight for visibility will not be able to distinguish themselves.

"Using daytime headlights increases fuel consumption, creating additional costs for motorists and a negative impact for the environment."

Research from Germany's Federal Highway Research Institute found dipped headlights increased fuel consumption and exhaust emissions by three per cent.

Lib Dem transport spokesman Norman Baker said: "This European directive is not only unnecessary but dangerous, particularly for motorcyclists who will lose the advantage they presently have as they only vehicles regularly to use lights in the daytime.

"It will also cause confusion for driver between rear lights and brake lights."

Ian Mutch, president of the Motorcycle Action Group, said that it was "madness" and would make it harder for bikers to distinguish themselves from other traffic.

According to the European Commission, car lights in daytime could reduce deaths by 3 to 5 per cent, equivalent to 1,200 to 2,000 fatalities a year across the EU.

The Department for Transport said last night the rules would only apply to new vehicles from 2011 and would not be applied retrospectively.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-518495/EU-force-drivers-use-car-headlights-daytime.html#ixzz1pbOG3L7d

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Proud to be professional wrote: The headlamp switch operation for bikes is exactly the same as for cars according to VOSA's manuals:D

Volvo amongst some other makes of vehicles made in Sweden by design have their light perminately on becuase over there they suffer from poor visibility, we don't over here so different rules apply.

As regards electrics on vehicles they are in the test in May, and the wording is ALL electrical wiring, so chafing, damage etc likely to cause a short, which is by the way an electrical overload, would be a fail:D


Who mentioned chaffing?:?

 

 

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Its gone quiet?

 

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KevG wrote:
So if the volvo is made in Sweden its a pass... If its a Volvo made in Holland Do I fail it?

If the courtesy lamp is stuck on thats a fail too I expect?
It could overheat and cause a fire?

All bikes with no light switches are a fail too.

OK

Got it now.



Glad you've got it, I think I will stick to p&a :D

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Unless its a Swedish Bike of course!!

because they have "different rules"

Do any other countries have different rules?

just for my info.

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So if the volvo is made in Sweden its a pass... If its a Volvo made in Holland Do I fail it?

If the courtesy lamp is stuck on thats a fail too I expect?
It could overheat and cause a fire?

All bikes with no light switches are a fail too.

OK

Got it now.

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"The headlamp switch operation for bikes is exactly the same as for cars according to VOSA's manuals"

So Should I be failing them then?

I'm Guessing youre a class 1 and 2 tester?

I am. since 1985.

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The headlamp switch operation for bikes is exactly the same as for cars according to VOSA's manuals:D

Volvo amongst some other makes of vehicles made in Sweden by design have their light perminately on becuase over there they suffer from poor visibility, we don't over here so different rules apply.

As regards electrics on vehicles they are in the test in May, and the wording is ALL electrical wiring, so chafing, damage etc likely to cause a short, which is by the way an electrical overload, would be a fail:D

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And SAAB..
But It might ring for a while there.....

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Proud to be professional wrote:


One might also consider that driving in day light with headlamps switched on is also illegal, although nothing to do with the mot test, but is something else to think about, especially if you are a biker lol:D



Somebody had better phone Volvo fast !

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Since when have "electrial overloads" been part of the MOT?

I think you may be making your own rules up ?

The switch Could be considered faulty. But if the lights work.............

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Just been to check my personal bikes in my garage, Three of them do not have light switches for the head lamps.
(The newest of the other three that do have a switch is my 1997 Ducati 916)
Most bikes nowadays do not.

The lights cannot be turned off!

Am I (and other bikers) breaking the law?

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I think you better check your facts on that one lol

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Yes but operation means;

A series of actions, so the switch still could be considered faulty if the lights are not able to be switched off?

You may also have to consider with electrics the risk of electrical overload and potencial fire risk?

One might also consider that driving in day light with headlamps switched on is also illegal, although nothing to do with the mot test, but is something else to think about, especially if you are a biker lol:D

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If it said check the "functionality" I might fail it.

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Well it must be operating, as the lights are on!

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The manual says operation of

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Where does it say in the manual that you must be able to turn the lights off? Operation wise if the switch dipped the lamps, and all else was OK, And I could see the F Pos. lamps were working I would still pass and advise.

Im not saying I'm right! just saying what I would do.

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I don't think that would hold water in an appeal situation if a VE disagreed, after all VOSA say that the NT must have a minimum of four years experience working on the types of vehicles being tested, so if the method of inspection says;

Check the presence, security and operation of the headlamp switch.

I can't see that argument standing up really, your experience must know which switch is the light switch?


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