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 Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2012 09:20 am
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My opinion as been pass and advise, it meets the criteria, with 2 three point seatbelts fitted.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2012 12:13 am
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I know that this issue of seat belts in the rear of vehicles causes some concern and issues, and I know that NT's say that the seat belt cannot be secured or released as intended, but that reason for rejection cannot be used for a seat belt locking stork missing, which is a completely different issue, i.e. its not there?

So how could you release it from a buckle that is not fitted?

The flow chart clearly advises that only two out of three belts are required, although the manual does also say that all seat belts fitted must be tested, but this to me is a poorly written manual not very well thought out?

If the belt was missing but the buckle or stork was fitted, it would pass the test, yet if the buckle is missing NT's says its a fail?

I believe that if two out of three belts are working it would be a pass and advise;)

Maybe someone might like to ask VOSA for a definitive answer, which I am cofident would be a pass and advise:D

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martin243 wrote: Section 5.2 does indeed say inspection applies to all seat belts fitted, but what happens for example with say a 2008 Mondeo with a seat belt clasp missing from the centre rear seatbelt ? It meets all requirements by having 2x 3 point fixing seatbelts ?Yes it meets the requirements by having 2 x 3 point adult seat belts remaining without defects but you are still left with a seat belt but no buckle,therefore the center seat belt would fail under section 5.2 seat belt condition rfr 5 the locking mechanism of a seat belt does not secure or release as intended.

Not the best rfr to use but this is what VOSA will advise if the issue crops up as there is no rfr for stork or buckle missing YET.

To resolve the issue,

Replace the missing buckle which is  best practice

or remove the seat belt that has no buckle:)

use the new advisory in the drop down list STANDARD SEAT BELT MISSING

Last edited on Wed Mar 28th, 2012 10:56 pm by NITROS44

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 Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2012 10:34 pm
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OK but ALL seat belts fitted are testable.
5.2 MoI Condition of ALL seat belts fitted.
Direct from the manual. So the Mondeo with the missing buckle cant have that belt & lock assessed. "The locking mechanism of a seat belt does not secure or release as intended"

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That's not a problem because;

In forward facing rear seats any of the following combinations are acceptable:

a. 3 point inertia reel belt on an outboard seat and

a 3 point static or inertia reel belt, lap belt, disabled persons belt or child restraint for at least one other seat;

or b. static 3 point belt for one seat and a disabled person’s belt or child restraint for at least one other seat;

or c. 3 point belt, lap belt, disabled person’s belt or child restraint to each seat

In other words the vehicle must have a minimum of two belts fitted to the rear of the types above:)

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Section 5.2 does indeed say inspection applies to all seat belts fitted, but what happens for example with say a 2008 Mondeo with a seat belt clasp missing from the centre rear seatbelt ? It meets all requirements by having 2x 3 point fixing seatbelts ?

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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 10:46 pm
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martin243 wrote:
Just a quick question, where in the manual do's it say, if a seatbelt is fitted it has to tested ?

Section 5.2 page 1, see the information column;)

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Just a quick question, where in the manual do's it say, if a seatbelt is fitted it has to tested ?

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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 06:41 pm
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And yes, it should not be a fail as its not part of the method of inspection.

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Making the inertial mechanism lock is not part of the test whatever the type of belt fitted.

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Yes, that is how they work. They react to the inertia of the vehicle stopping suddenly, not to the inertia of a body suddenly pulling the belt.
Put another way, the mechanism activates regardless of whether there is anyone pulling the belt (eg in an empty passenger seat).

So the tester pulls an ordinary inertia reel belt and it locks. He pulls a fixed belt and checks that the end is actually connected to something. But with mine he can jerk the belt as hard as he likes and it simply unwinds to its full extent.
But he is not supposed to be testing that, and it should be a pass anyway?

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Clifford,

Your 1964 Triumph does not require any seat belts to be fitted, but if they are fitted, they would be inspected to the same criteria as other vehicles that normally have them fitted.

May I advise;)the seat belt reels are not inertia reels, they are retracting mechanisms that are not designed to offer inertia, where inertia is the resistance to the freedom of movement;), the belts retracting mechanisms are designed to lock at any given point during rapid deceleration, but offer no resistance to the freedom of movement of the belt when releasing from the reel.

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Theta lots of things we don't chek. ABS. Airbags etc

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Mine do, that's the point, but ordinary inertia reel belts lock when you jerk the belt. It's easy to test that they work in a stationary vehicle. That's what my tester was expecting to be able to do, and the reason he failed mine because they don't work like that.

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They are supposed to be free and pull out. they only lock under deceleration of the vehicle. so we can't possibly test them

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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 10:31 am
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Well, I'm amazed. He checks to see if it is frayed, but even if it pulls out right to the end without restraint it is still a pass.

Many thanks.

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Thats correct

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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 10:00 am
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You mean that even with an ordinary modern inertia reel belt, the tester doesn't pull it to see if it locks? The belt could be completely useless, and just unwind without restraint? It just has to look like a seat belt, but not work?

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as Kev said, not part of the test. go back to the testing station and talk to the AE or manager and advise him it is not a fail and not in the testers manual as a fail. if he wont listen ask for an appeal form. good luck.

 

 

 



 

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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 08:54 am
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Locking the reel.is not part of the test

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