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 Posted: Mon Sep 24th, 2007 10:17 pm
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 Posted: Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 10:54 pm
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Taxi's around my area are not required to take an emissions test..

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bigzeph, i do have a procedure to follow and its in the publics intrest and the drivers intrest that i do follow procedure would you want me to pass every taxi that failed its emision? he has every right of appeal but you name a local authority that would  allow  a n enviromentally unfriendly car to work 24 hours a day 7 days aweek? i take it your not a parent nor is 911mot who live for today s**t to kids or grandkids that come tommorow. like i said in a previous post the decision would go above me im only doing my job and if im wrong then my decision would be overturned and i would have to accept that, but i would sleep at night knowing i made the right decision to make the driver fix his car, 911mot im not stopping him making a living his car is!  

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Bigzeph wrote: chumpy wrote: i would have had to fail it mate as a taxi but obviously as a normal car mot i would have to pass it. he would then if he thought i was wrong appeal to the licensing authority who would either back me up or overturn my decision, but with the enviroment issues im sure they would support my decision. i think then his next step would be his local m.p or possibly the courts but i would definatly stand by my guns and not allow the vehicle to be licensed as a taxi the problem would then not be mine but people above me councillors etc.





So you would prevent a taxi owner from working? Whilst he appeals against your decision.You have no approved procedure to follow when testing a hybrid.  It sounds to me as if you are a makeing up your own rules as you go along!!



Appeal to who? The taxi test is not regulated by VOSA. I asked my local VE on his last visit and he reluctantly admitted that I could pretty much test it how I see fit.

And who gives a stuff about the enviroment anyway? It's all a ruse to squeeze more taxes out of us. 

I'd let the poor taxi driver earn some money or he'll be in prison for not paying his council tax. 
 

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chumpy wrote: i would have had to fail it mate as a taxi but obviously as a normal car mot i would have to pass it. he would then if he thought i was wrong appeal to the licensing authority who would either back me up or overturn my decision, but with the enviroment issues im sure they would support my decision. i think then his next step would be his local m.p or possibly the courts but i would definatly stand by my guns and not allow the vehicle to be licensed as a taxi the problem would then not be mine but people above me councillors etc.



So you would prevent a taxi owner from working? Whilst he appeals against your decision.You have no approved procedure to follow when testing a hybrid.  It sounds to me as if you are a makeing up your own rules as you go along!!

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 Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 10:27 am
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i would have had to fail it mate as a taxi but obviously as a normal car mot i would have to pass it. he would then if he thought i was wrong appeal to the licensing authority who would either back me up or overturn my decision, but with the enviroment issues im sure they would support my decision. i think then his next step would be his local m.p or possibly the courts but i would definatly stand by my guns and not allow the vehicle to be licensed as a taxi the problem would then not be mine but people above me councillors etc.

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chumpy wrote: weetabix why not? in this day and age everything is all about the enviroment and been eco friendly and with it been a taxi i see no reason not to test the emissions when i could do so, it would have been very unlikley to fail as technology is so advanced on these things but how you going to know these vehicles are running clean if you dont check them? either way mottyk asked if anyone had tested one and i have and told him how i did it i thought i was giving good advise but when you on your mighty high horse come on with that kind of comment then clearly i was wasting my time on here.

Sorry to have come across as offensive - I didn't mean to!

All I meant was that as hybrid vehicles are exempt from emissions testing, then there is no need to spend the time doing it during the MOT test.

What would you have done if it had 'failed' the emissions test ?

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 Posted: Thu Jun 28th, 2007 08:31 am
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weetabix why not? in this day and age everything is all about the enviroment and been eco friendly and with it been a taxi i see no reason not to test the emissions when i could do so, it would have been very unlikley to fail as technology is so advanced on these things but how you going to know these vehicles are running clean if you dont check them? either way mottyk asked if anyone had tested one and i have and told him how i did it i thought i was giving good advise but when you on your mighty high horse come on with that kind of comment then clearly i was wasting my time on here.

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chumpy wrote: just done a toyota hybrid prius although not 3 years old it was a taxi and this is how i did it,

press the park button on the left hand side so it is in park if its in neutral it wont rev, carry on as though its a petrol on your gas analyser but bypass the rpm section so to carry out a rev counter check, have a friend slightly rev the engine before you put probe in exhaust this starts the engine running and allows the analyser to realise then you have entered probe when instructed to do so, this then allowed me to carry on, rev the engine more and guesstimate 2500 rpm this should now allow you to get an emission result on the fast idle test when it comes down to the idle test your friend will still have to slightly rev the engine or it will go to electric mode but ultimately i have a test result from it and it easily fell within the specified limits

p.s my analysers a bosh


 

Why test the emissions it when it is exempt ??

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just done a toyota hybrid prius although not 3 years old it was a taxi and this is how i did it,

press the park button on the left hand side so it is in park if its in neutral it wont rev, carry on as though its a petrol on your gas analyser but bypass the rpm section so to carry out a rev counter check, have a friend slightly rev the engine before you put probe in exhaust this starts the engine running and allows the analyser to realise then you have entered probe when instructed to do so, this then allowed me to carry on, rev the engine more and guesstimate 2500 rpm this should now allow you to get an emission result on the fast idle test when it comes down to the idle test your friend will still have to slightly rev the engine or it will go to electric mode but ultimately i have a test result from it and it easily fell within the specified limits

p.s my analysers a bosh

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 Posted: Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 11:15 pm
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SN's can be found at:

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publications/specialnotices/specialnotices.htm

Handy hint:
I find it easier to download them from there & print out on my laser printer at home - rather than print out at VTS device on the Dot Matrix!

A useful search method:
Go to the above link, press Ctrl-F (in windows internet explorer). In the search box, type the word you are looking for, eg 'Hybrid', and it will show you the SN with the word 'Hybrid' in the headings...

 

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One last point on this issue, done the car today passed without the emissions test.

But thank to weetabix finding the s/n relating to hybrid test, which was distributed in 2002, why is there no referance to these vehicles in the 2005 post puterisation manuals & guides, vts device s/n's only go back to 2005

still had no reply from vova yet to my original enquiry !

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Thanks weetabix,

thats just what the doctor ordered, I had some memory of reading an sn about hybrids I never went back that far sign of old age! !  loosing track of time

Thanks again 

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OK. does it have to be regd as a hybrid?

My Lpg jeep wasnt regd as dual fuel and It was tested on LPG

ie. if i build a hybrid can I test it as such or do we use VSI?

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Being a hybrid it is exempt from emissions test in accordance with S/N 2/2002.


(Matters of Testing, issue 15 April 2002)


 


 


SN 2/2002:


Item 6 Electric/Combustion Engine (Hybrid) Vehicles


 


Hybrid vehicles that can run on electric power in addition to petrol/diesel are exempt from the emissions test.


Care should be taken with such vehicles as:


* there may be high voltage present at any one of several points around the vehicle


* the engine may start without warning if the battery voltage drops


* high voltage may be present in storage capacitors as well as batteries


 

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But it has a petrol engine. so it needs an emissions test doesnt it?
Not Necessarily, If you consider that test is only based on the fuel type that the vehicle is using at that moment, for example if your testing a car that is running on both LPG and petrol but at the time of the test the vehicle is using LPG, you would select LPG. I believe this would be the case for hybrid cars as well, If the car your testing is currently running on electric mode there is no way to get it to switch to petrol unless you drain the battery past the half way mark or put some heavy strain on it. Our boss was able to do it because the car battery was nearly dead, vehicle was parked up for quite a while. As soon as the vehicle was started it went straight into petrol mode instead of electric, giving him plenty of time to do the test.


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Avocco.

But it has a petrol engine. so it needs an emissions test doesnt it?

My cars hybrid if i drive it on the starter motor!

 

Sounds like your boss did the right thing to me.

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Just called up my boss who recently bought a Toyota Prius Hybrid 2000 Model. I just asked him how he did the emissions test, said he selected petrol as the testing fuel and was able to do the rest from there.

You can also select eletric from the fuel type test list, and considering you dont have any emissions from an electric test, dont see why you would need to do an emissions test on it.


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Didnt know that it wouldnt go until 30 mph

Just a thought have you tried your local toyota dealer?

They must have done some already.

 

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Hi Kev,

cant do that engine wont start till 30mph is exceeded.

tried turning on all the electrics,  the engine will start, when its good & ready but stops again after about 2mins, and it wont rev.

hybrids have been failing emissions tests in Georgia USA, because of the same reason, reading a few site the effluent has hit the air conditioning over there.

they may be exempt vsi says hybrid-electric clean !

I could bung the ega in the boot & go crusin' I spose ! !

Iv'e emailed vosa - no reply. Ive had to put the gent off till Friday hope to get an answer by then 


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