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 Posted: Wed May 11th, 2022 11:32 am
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Stop considering 4-2-2 Mot Testing due to massive issues to road safety as well as 45,000 job losses in the industry seems that the Government feel a £27 is good enough to take a life, cars do not go to garages anymore only when broke! Cars need that yearly inspection. This is a massive road safety issue and there is no price on Life but it seems that the Government feel a £27 is good enough to take a life stop considering 4-2-2

Keep the tried and tested MOT system which is good value for money. Do not change the requirement to 2 years with the intention to save households money as it will not have the desired affect. My background is main dealer/independent motor trade having carried out MOT tests for a number of years. Lives will be put at risk due to dangerous defects. Approx. 10% of my customers do not service their vehicles and rely on the MOT every year to make sure their vehicle is safe. The MOT is a very basic check of vehicle roadworthiness and certainly no guarantee that a vehicle will be safe for 3 months let alone 2 years!
Jobs will be put at risk in the sector, garages that have recently invested (approx. 30k) to carry out MOTs will be put into a difficult financial position.

These petition's were rejected.. There’s already a petition about this issue..
Petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/615690
Keep MOT tests as a yearly requirement. We want the Government to maintain the yearly MOT tests for all classes of vehicle that currently require one.
Requiring an MOT every 2 years has been suggested as an attempt to reduce the cost of living for U.K. citizens with cars. However with 33% of cars already failing their first MOT, we feel the risk to public safety would be significant. The changes would also be extremely detrimental to the MOT and garage industry and could result in job loses of workers at the estimated 23,000 MOT testing stations, and numerous garages could be forced to close nationally if the demand for the MOT was to drop every 2 years. Don’t risk public safety by cutting safety measures.


Meadowfield Auto Centre started this petition
https://www.change.org/p/scrap-cost-of-living-2-year-mot-plans
Transport secretary Grant Shapps has raised the idea of 2 year MOT testing once again. This proposal will likely result in 3 things:
- Higher numbers of dangerous vehicles on the road (which could see higher numbers of accidents leading to repair bills & higher insurance costs)
- Higher repairs bills (explained below)
- Loss of jobs across the Motor Industry (MOT Testers, Mechanics, Parts Advisors, Parts Delivery Drivers Etc.)

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No MOT Fee Increase "until 2015"

In 2022 Authorised Examiners and Authorised Examiner Designated Managers get..

Research with MOT garages on connected equipment.. We're carrying out some research with garages around purchasing MOT connected equipment, especially when this decision is made through personal choice.

This will help us understand what support and encouragement we can offer to garages to make the move to this equipment.
https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/MOTConnectedEquipment/

Obviously we are in a trade that needs investment! With matters of testing it seems a bit one sided!?.The survey questions will ask you about the current level of connected equipment you have in your garage, whilst also exploring why some garages haven’t fully upgraded to this equipment yet and what may motivate them to do so.

DVSA the test fee needs to be fixed and increased we can feel ourselves slipping into a lower mood and our mental health feels as though it's declining it has been difficult to make the MOT pay a reasonable return I don’t see chemists discounting prescription charges (which is again, the same item from wherever you get them), it should be the same for MOT tests. Show me another trade where you need to spend so much on tools, continuous training and connected equipment but is so under valued with low wages.

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New diesel emission test equipment?

https://www.motester.co.uk/new-diesel-emission-test-equipment/

Which information to use.. Where the plate/sticker is removed, currently we cannot do anything if they go for a test elsewhere as they will not have evidence of the previous value. In this case vehicles will be tested to default, which is why DVSA are looking for a more permanent solution such as the plate values being part of the emissions book.

Cancer causing particles
Diesel engine exhaust was first classified as carcinogenic by the World Health Organisation in 2012. Research has shown that the chemical coatings on the soot particles can be a cancer trigger and Dr Andreas Mayer, an acknowledged expert in this area has explained during one of our recent WCRAQ meetings about the harmful effects of such coatings called PAHs (Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons) that are found on diesel soot particles. Not only are the particles small enough to penetrate deep into our respiratory system, but such combustion generated nanoparticles are likely to cross into the blood and be carried to areas of disease or promote life-shortening diseases.

So here’s the problem

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we have muppets up here doing mots for £20.00 it just makes us look cheap and nasty but vosa is not interested a lot off the small station are closeing were loseing 1 at the start off the year its been a station since the 60s being sold too biuld houses on it 3 lads out off a job and at the age they are not looking too return to the trade

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On its own a 3p increase on a MOT slot price of £2.05 is pretty insignificant. However the costs involved in running a testing station are constantly increasing (the cost of connected equipment for example) and I think that the DVSA should be helping us to safeguard our income. If we were able to charge the recommended retail price of £58.45 MOT testing would be a very good income for our business, but due to the fact that there are numerous testing stations within a 1 mile radius of our garage, we cannot charge anywhere near that price. If the cost of an MOT test was mandated, it would be a significant help to our business. To the public, an MOT is a standard item which they believe will be exactly the same wherever they get one, so the main deciding factor for them is the price. I don’t see chemists discounting prescription charges (which is again, the same item from wherever you get them), it should be the same for MOT tests.

For many garages it has been difficult to make the MOT pay a reasonable return, because the fee has not increased for 11 years, yet costs have skyrocketed. This is a prime reason for the shortage of GOOD testers (which impacts test quality) – the salaries that can be afforded are just not competitive enough. Using CPI data the fee should be around £63.
Now the DVSA not only wants to put their fees to garages up but also the HGV test fee which their VE’s carry out!
While the cost increases are modest what’s insulting is the very idea of consideration by government to allow increases for their ‘agency’ but not for the garages who carry out the test on cars and vans.
The MOT is a very profitable money spinner for DVSA, collecting around £60+ million a year from MOT garages so this increase will net them around a £1million in cash to spend. It become even more profitable for them when they abandoned their in-house computer system and made garages invest in equipment as the internal system went online.
Now, because of the MOT extension government extension , the market is damaged for the next few years with much fewer MOT’s during April to July but overload during Sept to Nov, putting severe strain on managing cash flow for many small/medium independent garages, who make up most of the sector. The trade needs to remember that next year there is no furlough or rates assistance so costs will be higher during the lean months. Once again, it’s the little guys without a voice that get ignored.
Every time the trade has raised the fee issue in the past with DVSA or Department for Transport , they have responded negatively – yet the cost of an Mot is only around 2% of the annual cost of running a car. The consultation response should be no to the increases until we get a fair dialogue with DFT.
A fixed fee, minimum fee, inflationary increase etc – the options should be discussed.
Come on trade associations – fight our corner on this!

TBH, no matter how much we moan about the cost of an mot, or that others seem to discount the cost to get cars through the door, until the whole industry is regulated nothing will change.
We need to have a bare minimum standard of qualification, insurance, mot price fix and many more things before this industry will stop dying on it’s feet.
We were all warned about a shortage in mechanics/technicians 20 years ago, and it’s come home to roost. I can’t hire a decent technician for love nor money. There are plenty of what i call grease monkey’s out there, but no good techs that are looking to move in the current climate. There are so many old school garages closing around here due to retirement or development, and the techs are just leaving the trade as they’ve had enough.
Show me another trade where you need to spend so much on tools and continuous training, but is so under valued with low wages. Just wait until the ev and hybrid markets take off and we see even more in the private sector, with very few of us that are properly trained.
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All the cars which will and won't work if they use new E10 petrol

Skilled labor isn't cheap; cheap labor isn't skilled. Popular emblem for hard hats in .. The original quote is attributed to Sailor Jack, a famous tattoo artist. ... Managers and customers prefer skilled work to not, and usually don't mind paying the skilled worker more. ... DVSA

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A downward spiral is when we can feel ourselves slipping into a lower mood and our mental health feels as though it's declining. They can be hard to handle because we might not really understand why things are sliding again.
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It's been a long time, and still no joy:
https://www.motester.co.uk/mot-slot-fee-increase/

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Doesn't always work this discounting fees, we charge full fee, I did 7 tests today and an abort(water leak), so took £383.95, a few bulbs/wipers also, one smallwelding job, and some pads/discs and others coming back, so generated approx £1000+ today, the customers want GOOD SERVICE, reliability, and do not look for discounts.
Most fails have the work done. 2 other test centres locally I speak to charge £27.50, they do 10/11 tests a day so(wear and tear on equipment is 40% higher) generate £275 for 4 more tests, get very few staying on site for repair, so generate little more £££s.

I know what I prefer, and I average 5 tests a day for the three days I test, and 4/5 from the other tester.

Quality and service DO win out in the end.

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Catch 22 in my opinion.

There's no 'fixed fee' on the horizon but how can the government justify an increase when so many sites are discounting the current fee and doing free retests.

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Not very often but when I have talked about this subject with DVSA in the past when they were called VOSA,they advised that if the fee was fixed TESCO would jump on the band wagon and apparently the only thing stopping TESCO moving into the MOT Trade is the low charge out rates and cut price/free retesting that is rife in the market place.

The problem to me seems to be that if there are ten mot stations in a local town (statistically speaking),the customer knows this and asks how much are YOUR MOT's, interestingly they are still DVSA MOT's not ours?

So the customer does a shop around, but in the mean time some MOT garages are not getting the work through the door, so the look at prices and attitudes of what goes on at other MOT garages to try and steal the customers away if you like, so competition begins, the prices drop lower and lower until an average is found in the market place, then overheads go up and the MOT scheme start wanting this test fee increase, but DVSA and Government are not daft, they have the records from your site visits, which show them that you already cut the test fee, you already giveaway the retest free, and some garages even stoop so low that to get people through the door, they say FREE MOT with a service.

There is room for an increase in revenue from what already exists in my understanding, if the test is charged out at £40 then there is a potential to increase it towards the current test fee of £54.85, that's an increase of up to £14.85, then there is the retest fee up to £27.45, these revenue losses in business are a lot, and I can't see the Government ever setting a new fee level when they can see from the site visits that the scheme don't need the increased revenue based on your price charges you provide to DVSA.

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while there aint many stations that just do tests and nothing else they do exist,mainly flow lanes and the like but they are out there.freezing the price is probably gonna hurt em,cutting it could kill em.

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I believe it is more likely that any fixed fee (and it seems to be a long way from happening, if ever at all) would be at a significantly lower level.

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If the fee became a fixed fee, with no discounting allowed that would effectively give us all a rise in the fee without the government putting up prices.

But then the 'chains' would give a free service with a MOT.

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If you mean Halfords, I understand the person you are referring to (Bill Duffy?) is no longer with them. In any case it's not really the point. In a market where discounting is rife, it would be foolish not to. In fact it could be argued that a company in a dominant market position could and should out-discount smaller rivals in order to put them out of business and having done that restore full price.

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Isn't it true though that some members of the trade bodies that have been negotiating for a fee increase are top executives at the companies that are offering and heavily advertising MOT test discounts?

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The real slap in the face is the way that the announcement was made out of the blue after suddenly withdrawing from well developed negotiations with the MOT Trade Forum. It seems an opportunity was seen to lump an MOT fee freeze in with a clampdown on fraudulent whiplash claims to give an overall impression of acting in the motorist's interest. The MOT is an easy target.

As you say, the fact that discounting is so widespread inevitably makes the DfT assume that there's plenty of scope to cut in that direction.

So all the hard work the trade bodies go to to to negotiate a proper fee is undermined by widespread discounting.

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yeah heard that on the news this morning,stop me if im wrong but hasnt it already been frozen for a few years now?dont most garages already discount tests to some extent?dont most garages already offer free retest or similar which effectively means some punters are already getting their test at half price?if the answer to all the above is yes then said minister is already pissing up a rope before he started.why not get him to suggest vosa do their tests at the sort of rates that us stitch up merchants are obviously charging.what do you reckon your hopes?you got bob hope and no hope,my names bob,guess that leaves you with no hope....

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In the interests of "saving the motorist money" Roads Minister Robert Goodwill has announced that there will be no MOT Fee increase until 2015.

A very disappointing announcement, in view of the ever increasing list of items to be inspected emanating from the EU and VOSA. More here:

http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-news/mot-news/mot-fee-frozen-until-2015

MOT Testing Magazine Editor Jim Punter will be expanding on this in the November edition of MOT Testing Magazine.

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