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 Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2018 07:21 pm
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To reiterate can anyone else see the means to comment on the current blog?

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Went to leave a comment on current Blog Matters of Testing & cannot regarding...Finally, if you do see any stories with incorrect information on the changes, please let us know in the comments below.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2018-05/uk-mot-official-testers-guide/
Improved or changed information
Information has been updated about the interaction between position lamps and other lamps.

Was going to link to...Bert posted onon 14 June 2018
what happened to light interference? just had a clio and the rear lights are like a disco (common fault) but now can't fail this.

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a lotta those words look sorta familiar....but seriously how hard can it be for the ministry to get the relevant nos from the manufacturers and put it on the system?the type approval guys/system will know them if no else does.any halfway average combo of computer tech and secretary to make the calls and enter the info shud have(at the very least)done the most popular motors inside a week and I would be surprised if it took THAT long.if you don't want the grief of entering it on the system then make a diesel version of the emissions data book and put it in our next email/sn.it aint rocket science:shock:all I do at the moment is fail a motor on smoke only for it to get some sorta bulls**t test from someone else,the crooks think its f***ing Christmas.if its on the system they aint got any grey areas to hide behind

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Nearly 9,500 residents of London die prematurely every year as a result of long-term exposure to air pollution, a 2015 study by researchers at King’s College London showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-43820243/art-installation-creates-smelling-pods-of-major-cities-air#
Living Diesel. Im not a fan of this I don't want to be here much longer to be honest (and that's the vehicle presenter?):shock: :D
There's a city in my mind
Come along and take that ride
And it's alright, baby, it's all right
And it's very far away Mr Barlow
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But it's growing day by day and it's all right...a lotta the separate plates im seeing don't have emissions on em,just type approval/eu no or similar,the ministry HAVE to start supplying plated limits at log in for this to be enforceable

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Manual tells us to test to manufacturers limit where available yet on a pre 2008 vehicle there is no failure for being above manufacturers limits

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Agreed, ,i also wish theyd tell us;
Brake fluid (1.8)
Additional braking device performance (1.5)
Daytime running lamps (4.2)
Front fog lamps (4.5)
Reversing lamps (4.6)
Bumpers (6.1.4)
Prop shafts (6.1.7)
All rear drive shafts (6.1.7)
Cab security (6.2.2)
Cab steps (6.2.8)
Floors (6.2.4)
Passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only) (6.2.12)
Noise suppression material (8.1.1)
Undertray security (6.2.1)
Emission control equipment (8.2)
• Oxygen sensor (8.2.1.1)
• NOx sensor
• Exhaust gas recirculation valve (8.2.1.1)
• Other emission control equipment
Engine Malfunction indicator lamp (8.2.1.2)
DPF tampering (8.2.2)
Fluid leaks – engine, transmission etc (8.4.1)
cause one saying 'structurally' weakened in reference to prescribed area is a tad ott

Stealth how am i supposed to explain to presenter the significantly reduced structural strength of their motor?

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and unless im hallucinating the corrosion box ive been ticking is now gone and structural is all that's left,i wish theyd tell us.....

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all the fails ive done so far on corrosion ive just ticked the box saying excess corrosion in proscribed area rather than the one saying structurally weakened,as for your screen problems look at the history on dv54fzz,the crack is the full width of the screen,god help us:shock:

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'RfR using prescribed area' & Corrosion assessment

Use finger and thumb pressure to assess the extent of the corrosion If necessary, carefully scrape or lightly tap the affected areas with the corrosion assessment tool Use of the corrosion assessment tool must be restricted to ascertaining that the failure criteria are met and not used for heavy scraping or poking of the affected areas.

DONE THIS...failure criteria are met & GET THIS RfR 'prescribed area excessively corroded 'significantly reducing structural strength'!!

How am i supposed to explain to presenter the significantly reduced structural strength of their motor?

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visibility Condition of glass Windscreen doesnt have any 10 or 40 mm limits?
question please, what is the procedure if you need to issue a fail as laid out in the manual but the “ rfr “ or wording on the computer is not correct?..

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the rfr now says inop OR indicating a fault,the sidewall instructions rfr has made a comeback as well,more as I find it:(

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as ive mentioned before you have to be pretty unlucky to get done for stuff like this,short of an accident/injury its real unlikely,as a for instance I assume you've had to stamp vdrs forms yes?given that a copper issued that,watched the guy drive off after with(lets say)bald tyres and holding a form that says get it fixed/stamped in the next week or so shud give you an idea of the width of real world interpretation just by the police let alone the courts.

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What happened to driving to and from a place of repair/test station - surely this still stands?



Nothing happened to it. It just isn't what you believed it was. Presenters have always been legally entitled to drive to and from a place of repair/test station in an UNTAXED vehicle because you need to have it MOT'd to get it taxed. It is not, and never has been legal to drive a vehicle with KNOWN faults to and from anywhere on a public road.

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This is a list of the new MOT Test items as at 18th May 2018
https://www.motester.co.uk/revised-mot-manual-guide-to-the-new-mot-changes-may-2018/

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With four days to go until the MOT changes come in on 20 May 2018 Neil Barlow on the latest Matters of Testing blog asked or requested... 'Finally, if you do see any stories with incorrect information on the changes, please let us know in the comments below'...

https://www.autodata-group.com/uk/news/industry/new-mot-changes-come-force/
Dangerous defects will immediately fail the MOT test and the vehicle cannot be driven until the fault is rectified.

... was about to paste above onto dvsa blog but didnt cause bloke named chronic wrote

'Can you drive your vehicle away from the VTS following a failure? Major and/or Dangerous. I presume 'Yes' if major/'No' if dangerous.

The DVSA do not seem to be very clear on this. Perhaps it's just me (probably is!). Was wondering if you can help me understand.

From the Matters Of Testing blog:

"Julia (DVSA) posted on on 26 April 2018. Following some of your comments, we’d just like clarify the position:

The defects that have been recognised as dangerous are all pre-defined. There will not be the option to mark other defects as such. If a vehicle does fail an MOT (be that for major and/or dangerous defects) then, as now, its current MOT will still be valid until expiry. However, as now, it will still not be legal to drive if it is ‘unroadworthy’."

I have replied, but can't get passed moderation. I mentioned that in a previous reply to a post, Julia (DVSA) said that a vehicle with a dangerous defect should not be driven, but a vehicle with a Major defect could still be driven away. This post appears to have been removed since.

It now reads:

"Julia (DVSA) posted on on 11 April 2018

The responsibility for driving a vehicle (or not) sits with the motorist. As now, if a tester has recorded a dangerous defect we would expect the customer to be provided with advice on the nature and severity of the defect. Also, the failure document is now much starker in warning the motorist to not use the vehicle with dangerous defects but we do recognise that some irresponsible motorists may still chose to ignore that advice."

Neil Barlow posted on on 24 April 2018

"As now, driving an unroadworthy vehicle on the road is not legal and - more importantly - not sensible."

So, my confusion/questions: What is 'unroadworthy'? Does any major and dangerous failure mean 'unroadworthy', or just dangerous failures? If so, why don't they just say that? They're using the term 'unroadworthy' instead. Is 'unroadworthy' subjective (surely not)?

Can a customer drive their vehicle away following a failure or not?

If not, the public need to be made aware of this. What is the advantage of bringing a vehicle in early? We, as a test station, test about 30 vehicles a day. 50% of these fail. We probably repair about 50% of these. We test for other garages, including main dealers. They do their own repairs (obviously). So they can no longer take the vehicles back to their workshop? What happened to driving to and from a place of repair/test station - surely this still stands? As a company we have sites that only carry out MOTs and a few minor repairs (wipers, bulbs etc.). We're going to have to invest in some serious parking if the vehicles that fail can not be driven away. Some customers have their own, very good, preferred garages that do not perform MOTs.

There was talk from Europe that the testing stations were to be separate from the repair side of the trade. These testing stations will have recovery vehicles cued up outside like taxis at an airport.

I feel that the DVSA have backtracked. They initially thought that a vehicle with a major defect can be driven. But, probably on legal advice, they are now no longer saying that. Using the term 'unroadworthy' instead.

Regards.

QUESTION...is http://www.autodata-group.com giving correct information on the changes, & if YES CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SPELL IT OUT, if its incorrect information on the changes shall post it on Matters of Testing.

Taking into account its always been an offence to drive a vehicle with a defect known to the driver/operator,we NEVER have been able to stop em,we still cant.only plod has the power to direct traffic in any legal sense,theyve just written it in bigger print is all.explain dangerous to the presenter,after that its up to him/her.
cause am bit confused CAN A CUSTOMER DRIVE THEIR VEHICLE AWAY FOLLOWING A DANGEROUS DEFECT FAILURE TO HOME OR A PLACE OF REPAIR LEGALY?

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Sorry, regarding the new MoT Manual by DVSA, the DFT should increase the MOT test fee.

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Regarding the new Manual DVSA should increase the MOT test fee!
Nearly 9,500 residents of London die prematurely every year as a result of long-term exposure to air pollution, a 2015 study by researchers at King’s College London showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-43820243/art-installation-creates-smelling-pods-of-major-cities-air#
Living Diesel. Im not a fan of this I don't want to be here much longer to be honest (and that's the vehicle presenter?):shock: :D

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The new Manual is up on the DVSA website here:

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/

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